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04/17/2008 Communitv and Economic Development Department . GRAND TERRACE PLANNING COM IISSION I MINUTES:OF REGULAR MEETING (A l I f O R N I A APRIL 17,2008 The resular meetins of the Grand Terrace Planning Commission was called to order at the Grand Terrace Civic Center. 22795 Barton Road, Grand Terrace, California, on APRIL 17,2008 at 7:00 p.m.,by Chairman Wilson. PRESENT: Doug Wilson, Chairperson Matthew Addington, Vice Chairperson Darcy McNaboe, Commissioner Brian Phelps, Commissioner Gary Koontz, Planning Director Richard Shields,Building &Safety Director Sandra Molina, Senior Planner Jerina Cordova,Planning Secretary ABSENT: Tom Comstock, Commissioner 7:03 P.M. CONVENED SITE AND ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD/ PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING • Call to Order • Pledge of Allegiance led by Commissioner Darcy McNaboe • Roll Call • Public address to Commission shall be limited to three minutes unless extended by the Chairman. Should you desire to make a longer presentation, please make written request to be agendized to the Director of Community and Economic Development. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PATRICIA FARLEY 12513 Michigan Street Ms. Farley formally requested the Planning Commission to revoke Schwertfeger's Conditional Use Permit(CUP). Ms. Farley believed that it was necessary to revoke the CUP in order to prevent the City from being irreparably damaged and destroyed. Ms. Farley believed uses have been allowed and those uses are in conflict with the General Plan. . 1 22795 Barton Road 9 Grand Terrace, California 92313-5295 • 909/ 824-6621 _ Ms. Farley informed the Planning Commission that Mr. Schwertfeger's claims, on his intentions of his business, are out of line with what he has and continues to do. Ms. Farley believes that hazardous materials have been increased in huge amounts and are not monitored. Ms. Farley believed that it is unacceptable for the Commissioners to say they will look into it and requested a public hearing. Ms. Farley does not believe that the General Plan can be adopted without further researching the Schwertfeger's property. Chair Wilson asked Ms. Farley if she had spoke to the Director of Community and Economic Development, to be put on the agenda. Ms. Farley requested a formal hearing. ITEMS: L MINUTES: Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of December 6, 2007 RECOMMENDATION: Approval PC-09-2008 Vice Chair Addington made a motion Commissioner Phelps Seconded l Commissioner Phelps requested that corrections be made on page 3, specifically of L.A.D. be changed to L.E.D. After voting, Director Koontz informed the Planning Commission that the vote was two for yes and two abstaining. Commissioner McNaboe commented that since the meeting was so long ago she was not sure of the accuracy. The Commission came to a consensus to continue the item to the next scheduled meeting of May 1, 2008. MOTION VOTE: 3-0-1-0 Chair Wilson Abstain and Commissioner Comstock Absent vote continued to May 1,2008 PATRICIA FARLEY 12513 Michigan Street Ms. Farley has a problem with summarizing the minutes. Ms. Farley believed that the intent of what she said was not properly stated. Chair Wilson asked if Ms. Farley would like corrections to be made on what she said. Ms. Farley could not give the exact words that were said, however; she knew the intent was wrong. t 2 ( Chair Wilson adjourned the Site and Architectural review board and convened the Public Workshop Session. 1) SUBJECT: General Plan Update (Revision from the March 20, 2008 Meeting) Director Koontz gave an overview of the March 201h meeting and informed the Planning Commission of the revisions that were made. Director Koontz asked the Planning Commission to comment on the pages that were revised. Commissioner Phelps had a comment on page V-12 Ontario International Airport is owned and operated by the City of Los Angeles. The City of Grand Terrace lies beneath one of the primary approach patterns for Ontario Airport. Commissioner Phelps wanted to add March AFB and San Bernardino Municipal Airports. Commissioner Phelps also mentioned a typo on Policy 2.1.4. Vice Chair Addington asked if a consensus was needed. Director Koontz_confirmed that a consensus was needed. The Planning Commissioners came to a consensus to make the changes noted by Commissioner Phelps. * Minutes relating to the General Plan are verbatim. 2) SUBJECT: General Plan Workshop#13 (Housing Element) Sandra Molina,Senior Planner: I have a power point presentation to briefly go over the Housing Element. The staff report was provided to the Commission; included the revised Element. There was also an attachment to that gave more detail in respect to the components of the Housing Element. With that, I will go through the presentation quickly and then we could go over any questions that you may have. Power Point Presentation Slide 2 of 29 Back in August of last year, Mr. Koontz provided a workshop on the Housing Element components. The Housing Element is part of the City's General Plan and it is required to be updated by State Law. As a matter of fact, all of the cities and counties in Southern California are currently updating their Housing Element. The Housing Element is required-to be reviewed by the State of California Housing and Community Development Department(HCD). They certify the Housing Element. The certification is a plus in helping with eligibility for grants it also helps us to have control over our land use decisions. t 3 Slide 3 of 29 There are a couple of changes in the housing law one is AB 2348 (2004)which establishes "default-density" of 20 du/ac for lower-income housing. The state will typically want to see that established when a City cannot demonstrate that there are adequate sites to meet the RHNA numbers. In some instances, the state was also asking for two properties to be re-zoned. Slide 4 of 29 Other changes that are recent includes AB 2634 (2006) this requires Housing Elements to consider the needs of extremely low-income households (30% or less of area median) Slide 5 of 29 In respect to Regional Housing Needs Assesment(RHNA), it is mandated by the State. To accommodate our fair share of the region's housing needs our RHNA allocation is 329. That is how it breaks down in regard to very low, low, moderate and above moderate income households. Slide 6 of 29 The table I am going to use are in the Housing Element. This table shows us what the income limitations are. Just to give you a quick perspective, when you look at very low, low, moderate households those are the income limits. Slide 7 of 29 These are hourly wages of the higher income limits within each category. It is a total household wage, so that would be a one person or two-person household. Slide 8 of 29 I wanted to run through these to give you a perspective when we talk about those limits and what the hourly wages are. This is a chart of the 10 Fastest Growing Occupations for our area. It shows the occupations and the breakdown of their hourly wages. Slide 9 of 29 These types of occupations are what our community generates. Slide 10 of 29 The beginning of the Element reviews the required Housing Element programs and policies; assessment of housing needs; and inventory of resources and constraints. There is also a five- year program where we have to quantify our housing program. t 4 The rest of this presentation will focus on the assessment of the housing program and quantified housing program. Slide 11-12 of 29 . Population and employment trends: This table is out to 2030. The year 2000 and 2015 our population is expected to increase by fifteen percent, household twelve percent and employment will increase about thirty-two percent. This seems like a significant jump. When you get to the year 2030, it increases twenty percent. Director Koontz: Are these SCAG projections? Senior Planner Molina: Yes Slide 13 of 29 The City's ethnic composition: the changes as you can see are from 1990 to 2000. The biggest change you see in this table is in the White/Hispanic populations. Slide 14 of 29 This shows the age breakdown. It is very comparable to San Bernardino County. Slide IS.of 29 In Household Composition, again, we are very comparable to San Bernardino. Slide 16 of 29 This shows that there are 4,221 total family households in the City. Twenty seven hundred are owner-occupied and the remainder are renter-occupied units. This is from the 2000 Census, which it breaks down the income categories that the Census uses. For purposes of our Housing Element in the RHNA we need to go back to those income groups that they targeted. When you look at this and break it down for our City, we don't have a significant amount of our population in the lower income categories, as you would find in San Bernardino County. What you will see later is that the lower households are over paying for housing. Slide 19 of 29 This chart shows affordability level for households both owner and renter-occupied. How that is determined is based on Federal guidelines. If a household is paying more than thirty percent of their gross income towards their rent or mortgage then they are overpaying. t 5 Slide 20 of 29 This shows the overpayment of household in the City, including lower income groups. It is expected that lower-income groups will typically pay more of an income towards housing. Slide 21.of 29 Part of what we need to do in our Element is look at the constraints to the development of housing. If you look at market forces and construction cost's it is a big factor. If you look at what the housing market has done over the last few years,housing cost have really increased. To give you an idea, in 2007 a fifteen hundred square foot (1,500 sq. ft.) home cost three hundred and forty five thousand dollars. That is twenty-two percent higher than the maximum price that moderate-income households should be paying for housing. Another example is construction cost from 2000 through 2007 have gone from eighty-four dollars a square foot to two hundred thirty dollars a square foot. Chair Wilson: That is not entirely accurate. Construction costs are not the only cost that have gone up substantially. I think it is more of a market influence on the construction cost. If you want to compare a fifteen hundred square foot over the last fifteen years, the actual construction cost is about the same for onsite construction. The actual land cost is, and the actual affordability went way down because they mark.the price of the house up. The"sticks and bricks"isn't up and that is an interesting twist. Director Koontz: What I'm hearing about the concrete and raising the prices of everything. Chair Wilson: About twelve percent difference. At least that is what it has been in the last thirty-six years I have been doing this. Senior Planner Molina: The other aspect we need to look at is government constraints in these areas. Density is an area that the City has more control, more than ability to control then they would with non-government constraints. The state looks at density as the higher the density the more encouraging it is for housing companies to building more housing higher density. The economies of a scale, the more units you can build on a particular acre the lesser your cost. That is more attractive to builders. 2°d Units is a constraint. Our zoning code requires a Conditional Use Permit(CUP). The law changed so we do have a program to change that. Manufactured housing, we have a program in our Element to permit it. Right now, it is only permitted in one of the residential zones. Development Impact fees is a big cost. It is about thirty-five thousand dollars toward the permit r' -- cost for a single-family home. I suspect that multi-family home would be very similar. We also 6 _ added a program that states if there is an affordable housing project being proposed the City has the ability to consider helping to assist with impact fees. Slide 22 of 29 The other thing we do is an inventory of land to determine how many units can be accommodated. The Element has a table for each residential zone district. This is the last table that summarizes the results of the residential inventory. This shows that with all the residential land, we have the ability to accommodate five hundred fifty-three units. The previous table that was in the first draft of the element, assumed that thirty-five percent of the units could be affordable. What we did was take it down to the minimum threshold that the state uses. We thought that it was better to use the minimum so that we could always go up from that. Director Koontz: This was based on us going out and identifying every vacant parcel in the City. We also looked at parcels that were in an R-3 zone. It does not include land where there would be redevelopment activity. Chair Wilson: Will this count a parcel that may not be zoned a certain way at this time and could be rezoned? - Director Koontz: No. This would only be residentially zoned property. i Slide 23 of 29 Senior Planner Molina: We are also required to consider special housing needs. The Housing Element law requires us to look at the disabled, the elderly, large family households, female- headed households, farm workers and homeless. The reason we look at these groups is because they will experience something that hinders their ability to pay for housing such as being disabled or being on a pension. Slide 24 of 29 Senior Planner Molina: Our housing program-is required to include goals and policies and quantify the objectives. We also need to have a schedule of very clear specific programs, identify the department to implement that programs and a schedule is suppose to be. We have goals and policies in our Element, program and schedule. It is very specific as to who is going to do it, what it is and when it is going to be done. Slide 25 of 29 In the quantified program is we need to go back to the households that RHNA looks at. Because - we have.to consider extremely low households, what state law says is that you can do the 7 research and determine how many of your households are in the extremely low category or you can take fifty percent of your very low. What we did was take fifty percent of our very low. Slide 26 of 29 This table demonstrates that we anticipate we will be able to meet our housing production numbers. You will have to go back to the rules of the Housing Element to identify the needs and constraints in your community and establish programs and policies that will encourage and promote housing development. The RHNA and the Housing Element doesn't mandate that.you do actual construction; however, every jurisdiction wants to do what they can to meet those numbers. It is always a balance of how many resources and land that community has to encourage the developers to come and build affordable housing. Based upon our land inventory and units that have been approved since 2006, we anticipate that we will meet those numbers. Director Koontz: On the extremely low (and we don't have any right now) there are seventy- two that are being constructed in the senior housing project. Some of those units are going to be in the extremely low category. Commissioner McNaboe: Can I ask a question about that? (Question is inaudible) Senior Planner Molina: That representation runs through the components of the Housing Element. What I suggest is that we continue our workshop and discussion. After this workshop, our attempt is to get this draft up to the state to have them begin their review of the document. They will review it and let us know if we are compliant and we will work from there. Does the Planning Commission have any areas that they would like to go over I am happy to do that. Director Koontz: What we discussed at the last housing workshop is that we are expecting them to come back with this request to zone some land that is twenty units to the acre. We have the senior project that will cover that but we also talked about whether we wanted to do that. No. We really don't want to do that right now. Once we get this draft up there we are going to schedule a visit from their people to come down and discuss it with us. We want them to tell us where it should go. If a developer comes in and proposes something, it is always something to consider but I don't think it is in the City's best interest for us to go out there and try to find a site. Commissioner Phelps: On the bottom of page VIII-14, table 8.3 (Question is inaudible) Table 8.3, below, compares population growth and changes in the City of Grand Terrace with that for the County of San Bernardino for the ten-year period 1990-2000. During that time, the population in Grand Terrace increased by 6.2%, a very modest rate when compared to the 20.5%population growth experienced by the County overall. Senior Planner Molina: With the population of the County of San Bernardino. 8 Commissioner Phelps: Okay, that makes more sense. Director Koontz: If your questions are in relation to minor technicalities can you get it to us at another time. What we are looking at is if there are questions on the text or the way we. presented things. The Goals and Policies mimic the ones from the last Housing Element that was approved. Most of the programs, ongoing programs, are associated with the county or they are special interest groups. If you compare this to the last Housing Element that was approved it is very similar. The format has changed a little but it is pretty much the same. There are not a lot of programs that we can add to this. Commissioner Phelps: (Question is inaudible). Planning Secretary Notes: Question is VIII-43, 8.6.2.1 Market Forces Director Koontz: A lot of problems that we are facing are because these Census numbers are from 2000, which are out dated. This is a bad time to talk about the numbers because we know that it is out dated,but it is all that we have to use. The positive thing is that every city and county in California is facing the same situation. Commissioner Phelps: This question is on VIII-43, I need some clarification. Director Koontz: Those are the standard parking requirements. They are assuming that a typical two-bedroom apartment has two cars in it these days. The typical standard is at least one space in a garage or a under a carport and one outside. Commissioner McNaboe: Unless it is the senior center. Director Koontz: That was part of a specific plan. Commissioner Phelps: My last question is on VIII-63. Action 11- The City Manager's Office will continue to offer low interest bond financing and redevelopment tax increment assistance in.the form of land write down to qualified developers for the construction of mixed use senior development, with the expectation that at least 50— 75 senior units will be provided and a requirement that 30% of the units(at least 20)will be affordable to the "very low" income. Director Koontz: Essentially, we do split the cost of the land. Chair Wilson: Is that the formula we use? Director Koontz: Yes. Chair Wilson: Do we have a consensus? Is there further discussion? 9 Director Koontz: This is a workshop and a consensus is fine. If you are comfortable with the direction and changes, we will clean the document up and we will ship it to HCD to get the ball rolling. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PATRICIA FARLEY 12513 Michigan Street Some of these parts are related and I found many mistakes. There are some general things about the entire plan that I want to say. As you know some of our residents in this City have been alarmed and concerned on how our City is being managed. We have had difficulty getting accurate and complete information and documents when questioning what is being done. Attempts have been made by some City officials and residents to undermine us and make us look like we don't know or understand the facts. We have documented proof and reason to be concerned. I have been accused of being anti-growth, anti-senior center(which is absurd). There are citizens who are naive and uniformed or are too busy to take the time to investigate what is happening to our City. I have been asked what I want; let me tell you what I want. My family's home has been in Grand Terrace since 1950 and I know things to be facts where others don't know. In addition, I have seen historical records that prove there have been many problems in how this City has been managed. Because of how things have been done, citizens as well as City officials have used different maps and inaccurate information in making important decisions. I feel that when I raise important issues City officials should consistently be using accurate and complete documents. Instead, citizens don't get answers or we get answers we know could not be correct. We have to use up our time and research it ourselves. City officials should be able to easily locate city documents in a timely-manner, and the documents the City as well as the city officials believe they are approving and making decisions should be accurate. We should all be looking at the same maps. Mr. Schwertfeger's trucking business on Michigan Street is an excellent example. People should not be relying on someone's opinion or specifically in this case Mr. Schwertfeger's oral and written statements as opposed to referring to the actual documentation. When important City documents are approved, there should only be one master copy that is signed and dated. All members should sign it. I question whether or not all the members got the same maps because there were so many floating around. This has frequently not happened when I've researched things. Different maps are given out and the process has not followed proper procedures. I have been told that people receive things that I know to be incorrect. Property owners have been led to believed that they have been improperly informed. Their rights have been violated because they were never given accurate maps or the 10 correct information. Currently the official General Plan Map from 1988 upstairs designates some people's residential properties as Industrial when it is not. This map is supposedly the approved one but I am sure that the residents whose land was changed were not informed of any such proposals nor was my mother informed even though she lives within three hundred feet. This makes the whole document invalid and illegal. It is extremely important that our City does accurately complete, officially sign, and date documents. The inaccurate information in documents as well as mismanagement of City officials and employees is significantly undermining our City and leaving us vulnerable to manipulative and dishonest citizens and businesses. Are you aware that not only do we need.to be aware of Schwertfeger but also we need to know that there is a huge international industrial business taking over our City and streets? They are risking the health and welfare of many of our citizens. They are forever damaging the reason why citizens wanted to be a separate City from Colton. Hammerlift is doing business under what is supposed to be Mr. Schwertfeger's property. The New York conglomerate corporation which is the parent company of Wilden Pump has consolidated all of its pump companies under one umbrella to be headquartered at Wilden Pump. This is completely unacceptable. Large_businesses like Hammerlift may not help the City financially because they don't sell the stuff in the City. They damage our City and they don't take responsibility for the problems that they create. The Maps have errors and I can tell you the existing Land Use Map.is inaccurate and Mr. Koontz is responsible for making that up. It should not be included in the proposed draft because some of the land uses have never been changed. They should not even be existing. The Barton Road Plan was to include mixed-use and the problem with the Senior Center is before even approving and having input that is proper and choosing proper areas. It was slapped in and that is very damaging to the City. It needs to be put together in similar places instead of damaging the residential areas. That is damaging property values and that is very unfair. Chair Wilson: Patricia you have to close it out. Ms.Farley: I want us to prevent us from repeating the same mistake. I am going to point out that the current Housing Element was never certified because it wasn't right. If you don't have it certified then that is going to affect money. We have a right to expect this. I can tell you that there are many areas. The roman numerals are wrong, the sections are wrong. End of side A JEFFREY MCCONNELL Walnut Avenue I've worked with the City for the last several years. I am glad that they are trying to keep the quality of life and residential properties in town to a higher quality value. I am glad Commissioner Phelps that you looked over the plan in detail. 11 I also wanted to point out something that we haven't been following. There were some of the - things that Patricia Farley was saying may bring awareness to situations like what is going on at the cement plant on El Rivino Road and Pepper Avenue there is a big lawsuit between the residents and the cement plant that has to do with air quality and lung cancer. That was one of our areas of concern with Manhole Builders. Chair Wilson: I would like to clarify for the public. Mr. McConnell was referring to the recent AQMD enforcment on a couple of the concrete plants in the area. They are concerned about a cancer-causing agent that comes from the dust that is omitted from those operations. When the AQMD steps into the procedure that is a major thing. They have acknowledged it, have started heading towards fines, and instituted some controls. They are supposed to reduce the amount of dust they create and monitor the health risk involved. This is a big deal. Mr.McConnell: I want to point.out that I really enjoy real estate and I want to stand up here and defend the quality of housing in Grand Terrace. WILLIAM KAMIN5KY 11818 Burns Avenue This is more on the planning situation. I used to work for the City of Upland and over there we found that lots under ten thousand square feet did not sell. In the City of Colton, a motto said "The City of Gracious Living". The zoning department put a zone on everything that said unless you have a house that's fits a ten thousand square foot lot or larger, you are not going to build in this town. They got forced into building some R-7.2's and those sat on the market for three years. There were only twenty lots and they sat for three years. The ten thousand square foot lots were gone before they were built. When we talk about low density and the twenty units, I am wondering if we couldn't have something that could say this parcel shall be this way and we could mix those up a little. Chair Wilson: At this point, a good deal of the low income is being met by the senior project. The very low or extremely low median income and that whole circumstance, what we are going to do is go out and invite the folks that are responsible for that guideline to come to the City to make a determination where that fits into our City scheme. Up until this point, we don't see it. It is very difficult to create that kind of guideline and stick to it if it isn't practical. We are thinking that we are fitting reasonably into the criteria and that is why we are not prone to zone a particular plot into the area. Mr. Kaminsky: I don't see any wonderful benefit in them coming down and saying that you should do it to here. Chair Wilson: We have to work through the channels. Mr. Kaminsky: There was a report in the Riverside Press Enterprise about cost of housing and you are correct with your numbers. 12 Chair Wilson: I would like staff to address the issue of making sure that the map is accurate. - How can we do that? This is our chance. We should be able to take a picture now and given all the technology, it should be fine. Director Koontz: We have been talking about maps for months now. The map is your map. Whatever you tell us to put on it we will put it on the map and make that recommendation to City Council. Vice Chair Addington: Correct me if I'm wrong all of the maps that we have received were various drafts and scenarios of what it could be.. You were presenting items to us for consideration. Director Koontz: The original map is not changed. There is the current General Plan. Vice Chair Addington: That one is still in effect. We were just reviewing drafts for consideration. Director Koontz: Yes. We are updating the General Plan. Therefore, any changes the Planning Commission would like to see to the Land Use Map we can discuss. The map is what we think you want us to move forwarded with. We still need to do the E1R, which I will discuss in a minute. ,r Chair Wilson: Can we start with the correct understanding of what the actual General Plan map is today. It may have been legislated but maybe it wasn't depicted correctly in 1988. I want to make sure that it reflects the legislations that been passed to this date. Director Koontz: I got to spend most of today digging through the original documents like all of the General Plan Amendments.(GPA) back to 1981. We trying to draw up a map based on this resolution and that resolution where it went from this to that. There is a 1984 version of the General Plan and then another one in 1988. There are individual GPA's requested by different property owners. We are going through all of that stuff. Chair Wilson: Okay so you are solidifying the General Plan? Director Koontz: We are trying to recreate the history of the General Plan Map. I have only been here since 2002. I can't tell you what happened before 2002 because I was not here. You and Vice Chair Addington know more of the history of this City than I will ever know. I would love to sit down and meet with you two to dig through and discuss what was done. Vice Chair Addington: Gary, I would be happy to meet with you. Chair Wilson: That sounds like a good plan. 13 Director Koontz: Bear in mind that what we are doing is creating the map. Once that is - adopted; it doesn't matter what happened in history that is the Plan that we are going to be working with. Chair Wilson: If we are going to say that the new map changes to what we want to then we have to have an understanding of what we have for existing in the areas that are going to remain the same. That is why we want to make sure that stays accurate. I understand that it is a job trying to recreate the world. Director Koontz: This is the Map on the walls behind you. There is a piece of land on Newport Avenue (a little triangular piece), that piece use to be owned by Victoria Homes. They are not in business anymore. Their property has gone back to individual investors and banks. That piece went to a group of investors and they have been coming in to speak to me to figure out what can be done with this land. Victoria Homes at one time a couple of years ago submitted a small condominium map. It had eighteen units on it and we had a lot of problems trying to configure it with the triangular piece next to the freeway and it is a tough piece. The current owner by the name of Mr. Urbinsky has asked me to present to you for consideration his request for that piece. He would like to make that into the Industrial zone because he can't figure out what to do with it. He is thinking about a mini storage. It is up to you all. Most of it is going away with the freeway widening. If you don't want to consider it, I can go back and tell him that. Vice Chair Addington: To the west of that parcel, is that the mobile home park? Director Koontz: Yes. Vice Chair Addington: If I can recall the freeway is dropping. Can that piece be seen from the freeway? Director Koontz: It is a few feet above. It is surprising how close it is to grade. Vice Chair Addington: So it does have visibility? Director Koontz: From driving the car you can see the property which is an issue because you will have a noise issue if you were to use it for residential. I suggested that he speak to someone in the mobile home park to expand where you can put a few pads in the back and leave part of it as a buffer. His latest thought was to do a mini storage as a holding use until Caltrans buys it out. Chair Wilson: It has plenty of frontage, what is the width going to the West? Director Koontz: There is a frontage but it is tight. The condominium project that was there showed the back portion of the triangle as open space for park life. 14 Vice Chair Addington: Do you remember what the width is? Is it one hundred feet? Director Koontz: The way it worked was that he could get a row of condo's along the back and a couple of condo's along the wide area with drive way and parking between them. It was pretty tight. We had a problem looking at this because it is a tough piece of land. If you do elect to make a recommendation for it to go to industrial use he would still have to come to a public hearing. I have been looking at this piece for six years and I can't figure it out. Chair Wilson: It is not congruent with the surrounding zoning. Vice Chair Addington: Is it a remnant parcel from when the freeway went thorough? Director Koontz: Yes. Vice Chair Addington: Is the freeway going to wipe the rest of it out? Director Koontz: When you look at the houses that are close to it and you look at this as an open piece of land, what do you.expect Caltrans and SANBAG is going to look at for widening? They are not going to move single-family residences if at all possible. Vice Chair Addington: True and one advantage he has is if can't do something on it at least get in entitled and raises the value for Caltrans. Unknown Woman No. 1: (inaudible) Chair Wilson: An industrial use there is not going to work. I understand trying to expand the mobile home in the sliver but often times when a piece like that is purchased they know what it was. It would be interesting to find out what the history is on the actual value of the property. There is a good chance that when the freeway went through there they got their value of their property then. This little sliver really is a single-family unit. Director Koontz: That is the cleanest thing to do with it. It is zoned for higher density development so naturally the developer wants R-3 density. Chair Wilson: I would think that if you would put a house on it that would raise the value the same. If he is trying to accomplish raising the value then putting a house on that would do that. I don't see a change to Industrial use. Vice Chair Addington: Let him submit it and run it through the process. Director Koontz: What he is asking for as part of the General Plan update that you would consider putting on the map that part as-Industrial. Vice Chair Addington: Now that I have that information. I don't agree to that. 15 Commissioner McNaboe: I wouldn't be inclined to do that. I would like to see a compelling reason and that is not one. Commissioner Phelps: I think that small lot as Industrial doesn't work. Director Koontz: I told him he didn't have much of a chance but now I can tell him that you said no. The EIR Notice of Preparation is out and we have comments back. We are writing the EIR. We are kind of in a struggle because there is some trouble with the traffic study modeling. Chair Wilson: Is it the format? Director Koontz: It is something about how the traffic engineer gave data to SANBAG and they run it through there model. The model came back and the numbers don't make sense. We are having our traffic engineer researching the problem. It is so far off that the nexus study that SANBAG's got doesn't make sense and it is holding up the completion of the draft because we need that to make sense. From that, we will do the Air&Noise analysis to complete the EIR. Hopefully we will have it resolved by next week so that we can get back on track. Chair Wilson: Do you need anything from us? Director Koontz: No. I am emailing the traffic consultant and SANBAG about fifteen times a day. • Information to Commissioners Director Koontz: We are struggling with the Town Square project in relation to grading. We have finally worked with the developer and engineer and we have finally resolved it. We will be moving forward next week with a notice of preparation and a scoping session. We will get that out in a few months. Chair Wilson: When we talk about the Town Square project, for the public, can you tell us where that is. Director Koontz: It is this area here. What you are going to see is a couple of different things. They are proposing the Stater Bros part on this side as Phase I. We also have a master plan which is very similar to the specific plan. The master plan is for the entire site, which is a generic document where we will right a program EIR for everything but the Phase I where we will have detail site plans coming in. The Grand Crossing Specific Plan is moving forward and on May 14, 2008, we will be having a community meeting put on by the developer to start accepting community input. We are putting that in Blue Mountain Outlook, announcing it at City Council, Channel 3 and the City website. 16 Vice Chair Addington: Where will this be held? Director Koontz: The Community Room at 6:00 p.m. Chair Wilson: Is this a proposed developer that has offered to do this or is this some kind of arrangement with the City? Director Koontz: The City Council has exclusive rights to negotiate and a memorandum of understanding with Mar Ventures. Chair Wilson: I would love to see that details of that agreement. Director Koontz: It is public knowledge. The third project is the area around the Starbucks building. The owner has acquired all of the land around it excluding the barbershop. We have been working with him to re develop that whole area and put together some new stores. The big thing that we have stressed is parking. The Starbucks building will stay there but a new front face will be applied to match everything else. • Information from Commissioners No information at this time Chair Wilson: We will adjourn the public workshop and the next meeting will be held on May 1, 2008. I may not be available on that day. Director Koontz: We probably will not be having a meeting that day. Respectfully Submitted, Approved By, , Op Yoyce0owers, Doug Wilson Community &Economic Development Director Chairman For Gary L. Koontz, Planning Director 17