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07/06/1995GRAND TERRACE PLANNING COMIVIISSION MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING JULY 6, 1995 The regular meeting of the Grand Terrace Planning Commission was called to order at the Grand Terrace Civic Center, 22795 Barton Road, Grand Terrace, California on July 6, 1995 at 7:00 p.m. by Vice -Chairman, Doug Wilson. PRESENT: Doug Wilson, Vice -Chairman LeeAnn Garcia, Commissioner Moira Huss, Commissioner Ray Munson, Commissioner Fran Van Gelder, Commissioner Patrizia Materassi, Community Development Director Maria Muett, Senior Planner Larry Mainez, Planning Technician Pat Peterson, Planning Secretary ABSENT: Matthew Addington, Commissioner Jimmy Sims, Chairman 6:45 P.M. CONVENED PUBLIC WORKSHOP SESSION * Information/comments from staff -Blue Mountain Coffee House -Applicants Catherine Leogrande and Sandy Grano addressed the Planning Commission. Consensus of Planning Commission to support project. * Information/comments from commissioners 7:07 P.M. ADJOURNED PUBLIC WORKSHOP SESSION 1 ITEM 1 7:08 P.M. CONVENED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING * Call to Order * Pledge of Allegiance led by Commissioner Huss * Roll Call * Public address to Commission shall be limited to three minutes unless extended by the Chairman. Should you desire to make a longer presentation, please make written request to be agendized to the Community Development Director. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION: None ITEM #1 1. TASK FORCE REPORT General Plan Update Task Force Progress Report. Task Force Members Present: LeeAnn Garcia JoAnn Johnson Mary Trainor Jim Singley Phyllis Ann Forbes Sternberg Doug Wilson Absent: Tamara Avila Herman Hilkey Director presented overview of General Plan Task Force progress report, including an overview of the General Plan Task Force past chronology of activities; the method of review of the General Plan Elements; and overall orientation to the Planning Commission on how to provide their input on Task Force material. The question to the Commission is "Are we going in the right direction?" Do you agree with these concepts? Want to add or delete issues? Please let's follow order of presentation as listed and suggested in the report. Director also provided an overall evaluation of scope of services involved in this General Plan Amendment and said she has prepared a summary of all major changes proposed for the Commission's convenience. "What started out being a simple amendment turned out to be a major overhaul, due to obsolete data, computer modeling required, actions missing and integration of Grand Terrace into regional picture. " She mentioned the cost of General Plan 2 Amendments, summarized the Amendment process and public participation and presented tentative General Plan Task Force schedule for 1995. She proposed the General Plan discussions to be restricted to one hour so other items could also be taken care of. (NOT VERBATIM MINUTES UNTIL THIS PART AS MACHINE DID NOT WORK.) Director: I have distributed to you a summary of the General Plan Element major changes for you to follow. This is the presentation I'd like to make to you after Task Force Member Mary Trainor presents to you the Guiding Principles. I was thinking originally about going through this whole thing but I now think I will go element by element just before the Commissioners' comments. Are there any questions about the process or anything I've mentioned so far? No questions. Then Mary Trainor will now present the Guiding Principles. Mary Trainor: My name is Mary Trainor. I reside at 11897 Kingston, in Grand Terrace. I have the pleasure this evening of reporting to you on some of the work that all of the members of the Task Force participated in. Specifically, there were two sessions in May and June of 1993, where we were asked to dream about this city 20 years from now. What would it look like, and what would it be. In summary, the dream city 20 years from now, as the Task Force saw it, would be not much bigger than the Grand Terrace we have today. Except it was more of the same and perhaps better. Generally expressing a village -like atmosphere where people are free to move about safely and have many of their needs met within the city. Part of that process was that we were given mission statements of other cities and were educated as to how they went about developing their mission statements and their own creative plans for 5, 10 or 20 years. Then the members of the Task Force set about establishing a potpourri of guiding principles. We came up with something like 28 of these. Many of them overlapped each other so distilling from those 28 we ended up with 10 Guiding Principles which are prioritized here for you. The priority was determined by the members taking the 10 Guiding Principles and the general thoughts of all of the members and ranked them individually. The ranking of 1 was given to the principle we thought was most important and 10 to the least. The score was developed for each of the Guiding Principles so the priority in which you are seeing them represents the category that they came up with. Number 1, and the most important Guiding Principle, according to this Task Force was "To strive for excellence in education. " To be able to assure that quality education would exist in Grand Terrace. The second prioritized Guiding Principle was that we would be able to assure that Grand Terrace would have a full -service community representing a cross-section of retail, offices and light industrial with emphasis on home -oriented services. That we would have a self-contained community so residents would not be forced to shop out of the city for routine supplies and services that they need for daily living. Included in the second Guiding Principle was the thought that the city should be able to provide jobs for approximately one-third of its residents. The third Guiding Principle is very important to every member of the Task Force and certainly every resident. It is to maintain an 3 emphasis on safety. That we maintain our reputation and status as a low -crime city. Number four: That we continue to emphasize the needs of family and children by promoting places to learn, to have recreation and to relax. Number five: Develop a multi -modal circulation system with emphasis on pedestrian access. In addition to driving cars we would have numerous walkways, bikeways and access to all modes of public transportation that would be feasible. The sixth Guiding Principle would be to create an enhanced city identity. In other words, Grand Terrace, the city of ... but we haven't finished that sentence yet. Number seven: Protect and enhance residential neighborhoods, with emphasis on maintaining the quality of the housing stock. Number eight: To maintain and enhance low -density and village atmosphere of the city. Number nine: To ensure economic feasibility and partly due to pursuit of grant funding, this is basically to maintain an economically strong city. Number ten: To create a garden city that promotes a comfortable, relaxed and friendly atmosphere. This would include some of the feelings of the earlier principles with emphasis on heavy planting of trees, shrubbery and flowers. Those were the top ten Guiding Principles as reached by the Task Force. Director: Does the Planning Commission have any questions? Or any discussion? Vice -Chairman Wilson: Recognized Commissioner Huss for a comment. Commissioner Huss: I am curious to know how many people are on the Task Force? Director: Seven members and two alternates. Since Commissioner Garcia was appointed to the Planning Commission we have six members. Also, lately, we have had two members who are unable to attend. Tammy Avila is in school full time. We've had some problems with having more than three or four members present at meetings. During the whole period of 1993 and 1994 we had seven members. If you'd like I can read their names for you. They are JoAnn Johnson who represents the Seniors; then we have Mary Trainor representing the Chamber; Tammy Avila, the school district; Phyllis Sternberg, the business community; LeeAnn Garcia, the residents in general, now she's representing the Planning Commission as an alternate; Vice -Chairman Wilson who represents the Planning Commission; Councilmember Herman Hilkey who represents the City Council; and Councilmember Jim Singley who is also an alternate for the City Council. So there are six members and two alternates. Vice -Chairman Wilson: What's next? Director: I'd like to summarize the major proposed changes in terms of concepts. Instead of going through all of the elements I'll go through the Land Use Element and then the Commissioners may start their comments. C , LAND USE ELEMENT: For the Land Use Element, you can refer to the Summary of Major Alterations Proposed, and to the first yellow section in your packet. I've summarized here all the major alterations. One of them is to develop a "phase 2" Barton Road Specific Plan. This is to be an implementation of the Barton Road Specific Plan with an updated marketing analysis, contacting the business community and Specific master planning for long, narrow lots along Barton Road. The plan would incorporate a public plaza and possible mixed -use commercial/residential uses around it. The principles of Barton Road Specific Plan should be emphasized and implemented. That is to create a feasible commercial project in downtown Grand Terrace. Basically, the intent of the Task Force is not to amend or reject the Barton Road Specific Plan, but to refine its principles, standards and implementation policies based upon an updated market analysis and added contact with the businesses. So far, that is the consensus of the Task Force. Second, incorporate "Land Use Strategies for More Livable Cities" wherever possible. That is the material I just gave you. It lists all the different principles from this more livable community which basically state how you can have a community that is compact and self-sufficient, which allows you to go everywhere walking or riding a bicycle. It is to locate as many activities as possible within walking distance and/or accessible to multi -modal access points, and discourage emphasis of the car on a daily basis. The commercial uses to be home -oriented and community -service oriented. Instead of have big auto malls or other major commercial uses, let's serve ourselves first. Let's make sure we get our city needs satisfied, and then we can go into a different direction. Vice -Chairman Wilson: Patrizia, may I interrupt? The Attachment B you refer to in the Land Use Strategies ... Where did it come from? Director: From the Local Government Land Use Commission. It's a non-profit corporation and it also works with SANBAG. They developed this document and distributed it through the APA (American Planning Association). The Task Force received a presentation of this information through Councilmember Dan Buchanan. He attended a seminar and gave the Task Force a presentation. I was thinking, before we go much farther with the General Plan Amendment, it might be a good idea to ask him to come to the Planning Commission and make a presentation also. The Planning Commission would then have an idea what those principles are all about. Something that is recommended from all the different sectors of planning. Another proposed change to the Land Use Element would be to create zoning tools for development of industrial areas. For instance, a Business Park Specific Plan or Transitional Multi -Family or other zoning buffer area, between Michigan industrial area. The idea was to have some transitional zoning in there. Right now we have residential and industrial. There is not really a buffer in there. It was not discussed in any detail. That will facilitate better access to the industrial area. The other one is "Identify land for family recreational purposes. There were no specific proposals for area rezoning at this time. These are basically the overall summary of the Land Use comments overall. Now, what I'd like to do is have Commissioner Van Gelder present her comments as Chairman Sims is not here. Maybe Commissioner Van Gelder can make her comments and then anyone else may comment or respond. 5 Vice -Chairman Wilson: Before she starts, does that mean we're going to skip over the Housing Element? Director: Yes, the idea was to have the Commissioner who read the particular element to bring in the original comments. We could go back to the Housing Element which was assigned to Chairman Sims at the end, if we have time, since he is not here today. Vice -Chairman Wilson: I'd like to open it up for the opportunity to at least comment so that you have some direction on that. Director: What I was thinking, is that we can go through the elements with the Commissioners who are present and then we can go through the elements of Chairman Sims and Commissioner Addington who are not present. Vice -Chairman Wilson: The Chair then recognized Commissioner Van Gelder for General Plan comments on the Land Use Element. Commissioner Van Gelder: First of all, I'd like to say I compliment the staff and the Task Force on the work they have done. I think it is outstanding. This is quite a volume of material and there is alot of information here. I was counting on our esteemed leader to help me with this Land Use Element so I'm on my own. If you want to follow along, you can turn to your General Plan book, Roman number VI-1. As I read through the entire packet one thought that kept running through my mind was I hope I'm still around when all of this is done. We'll take it one step at a time and hope for the best. Question #1 has to do with the first goal "Create a full service community retail, commercial and industrial with emphasis on home -oriented services. " I'm not sure what is meant by "home -oriented services". Director: They would be community -oriented or services that you need immediately. So you do not have to go to Colton. Commissioner Garcia, would you like to illustrate that? Commissioner Garcia: The simple everyday things that you need -if not daily then weekly; like a beauty shop for instance. Commissioner Van Gelder: To me this doesn't say what you mean. Maybe it should be called "local citizen services" then, give priority to family needs and children. I'm all for that except for the fact that everyone knows the senior population is increasing by leaps and bounds every year. I'd like to see the words senior citizens included; family, seniors and children. In 1P.b using Cal Poly students to form a master plan for the Barton Road Specific Plan would be an excellent idea. Conduct study and evaluate if there is a potential for mixed use, in terms of commercial and residential uses. I'm a little hesitant about putting commercial and residential uses close to each other because I don't know of anyone who likes to have a house right next T to a commercial area. If you're trying to raise a family in a commercial area just doesn't work I don't believe. Director: (Through the Chairman) Commissioner Van Gelder, do you prefer responses back on your comments now or after you have finished? We can allow the Task Force members to respond. Do you have any preference? Commissioner Van Gelder: No, I don't care. However you want to do it. Vice -Chairman Wilson: On Item c), does it say evaluate the potential for mixed use in terms of commercial and residential uses, in the Barton Road Specific Plan area. I think where that came from was a mix of feedback from various folks that not only own property in the city, but also live in the city. I think the idea was that the Barton Road Specific Plan basically called for (10 years ago) a heavy commercial kind of use exclusively along Barton Road. As we get more feedback from the folks who live in the area it seemed like it was more conducive to a very light mix. In other words, in keeping with a village kind of scheme, if you had some light commercial uses that cater to the things we were talking about so far as getting your hair done and that sort of thing, barber shop, small stores, village atmosphere similar to the one that's over there off of Michigan. Commissioner Van Gelder: That's fine, but what's the residential going to do for that? Vice -Chairman Wilson: Well, at first, it would be a specific plan, so the residential is a good mix of standard single-family residential units, maybe a little bit of condominium around in the area with possibly some sort of a street that parallels Barton Road to make access for those areas. Rather than leaving Barton Road exclusively a heavy commercial situation that so far has not been a feasible situation for anyone. Now I don't know if that was in keeping with what everybody sees as this community/village concept. Commissioner Van Gelder: Well, I think maybe the Task Force may be able to tell us their thoughts. Task Force Member Phyllis Ann Forbes Sternberg: I think one of our thoughts -we did alot of talking -I have Grand Terrace Real Estate and I'm Phyllis Ann Sternberg. If you noticed with the exception of Stater Brothers ...(inaudible). Vice -Chairman Wilson: Phyllis, why don't you come up to the microphone. Task Force Member Phyllis Ann Forbes Sternberg: The real thought was that we really need a village kind of theme. Something where the children and seniors can go. Alot of the seniors can't drive anymore. We were looking at the fact that right now it is pretty spread out. It's not really conducive to anyone who lives at Azure Terrace condos. All we've got is Stater Bros. Shopping Center. We were thinking that it would be nice for our plan to say "trees, plants, walkways" where people could take a nice walk down and do some things. Why are we trying to get big industry in when we really need to do the same thing with the neighborhood industry and promote it so as our group gets older they can walk to the grocery store. They can walk to the hairdresser and not 7 C feel they are fighting Barton Road and other traffic. Bring in plantings and trees and grass so perhaps they would like to walk and sit in the park, maybe along Barton Road. Right now I think everyone finds it difficult to walk Barton Road. It might be conducive to have little neighborhood food places to come in and places to shop. They could walk down and have lunch, sit for a while in the park and come back. I think the senior center has done a wonderful thing and people are well aware that we have buses going around to pick them up and they have been a great help on that. I also think that some people like to take the day, go down, and do some shopping. Right now would you find that inviting? I don't think you would. If there was a park you could walk down, have lunch, sit around for a while, and that was what their neighborhood theme was. It is better than having a large commercial center and let's bring in the big stores -Broadway or something. How about if we try to make it nicer for people who live here? Alot of us are getting older, and I'm one of them, and we could walk down and there's alot of young people that may bring their parents down to a place like this. We need to make it as nice as we can to make it inviting. Commissioner Van Gelder: I couldn't agree with you more. Ray and I both were involved in the design of the Barton Road Specific Plan. I'm sure he will agree with me that our visions in that day were to have this very thing. To have water, sidewalks, trees, park benches and all of that sort of thing. And I couldn't agree more with that concept. My only question was related to the housing in that area. Director: I'd like to make a comment related to the presentation that Councilmember Dan Buchanan made. It was exactly on these principles. How can that work given the type of neighborhood we have, could it work? How could the commercial and residential work together in these circumstances? So that's why I wanted him to come and make that presentation to you because it will give you a better idea. Also, the Housing Department at the state level is only recommending -it is not something you need to do. It is not a mandatory thing at all, it is just something that should be considered. Also, many cities are doing this, usually cities that do not have that much space so it makes sense because they have to build everything together. So here we really have the options of doing it or not. But as we go through the other elements you are going to see that it may make sense, in terms of public places, cultural events. This all fits in together. Commissioner Van Gelder: I've seen some of those presentations too. I would not want to live in that situation, but that is my own preference. Preservation of the entire Blue Mountain hillside as a natural environment. I think that is a great concept, however difficult to implement. You can not tell these people that they can not develop on this hillside. If they own land they are going to develop it one way or the other. So I entirely agree with you to keep this as natural environment. I'd like to see that done. Pursue zoning transition to commercial for the east side of Mt. Vernon between Barton Road and Minona Avenue to encourage development of the northeast corner of Barton Road and Mt. Vernon. We would all certainly like to see that parcel developed. I had a conversation recently with the City Manager and he informed me that there was a very large amount of money that will be given to any developer who comes in there to help F., demolish the building. I think the way the economy is going that will probably be the impetus for somebody to come in there and develop that piece of land. Anybody that develops there is going to have to have the building demolished. It cannot be developed the way it is. I won't comment on each individual item if I don't have a problem with them. 6P(a) Seek appropriate land for recreation areas for children and establish a recreation overlay zone; area around the skating rink on Commerce Way or local school areas. That is an excellent idea. The discussion about a Master Plan to include a City Plaza on Barton Road; I'm hoping it will be in the Specific Plan area. Director: Correct. Commissioner Van Gelder: Item c) Pursue acquisition of the parcels between the Terrace View Elementary and City -owned land on which the Senior Citizens' Center is located. Did you have some particular purpose in mind that this land would be used for? Director: I'm not quite sure right now what was behind it. Perhaps someone from the Task Force can recall. Phyllis Ann Forbes Sternberg: The reason was my husband met with them many years ago. We have one of the very few in the State of California, where the City and the School Department work together. There is no one else in Riverside or San Bernardino Counties where on school land we have a City swimming pool. We couldn't afford to buy the land at the time, so it was put to a vote and we got the money to build the pool on the school grounds with the agreement that the school would do the maintenance for it. The daily ... (inaudible) The Lion's Club came in when we had to re -do the . . .(inaudible)of the city a few years ago. I did talk to the school board and they are agreeable to do the same thing at any other school. So that was part of our thoughts when we chose that parcel of land as one of the ones we kind of wanted, the location at the Senior Center. Eventually with the land at the school we could build a swimming pool at Terrace View School. The only problem we have now ... somebody owns the land that's just to the west of the school site between the school and the senior center. They are going to sell sometime; they are senior, too. The school board is very . . .(inaudible). . .baseball fields and things we could do on the parcel of land. Not necessarily a swimming pool but perhaps ball parks and things like that. We could also have the availability ... (inaudible)...Terrace View playground area ...(inaudible). ..Jr. High ...play baseball on school land, we would swim and have our swim lessons on school land. The only parcel that really belongs to the city is the playground. So looking at this thing privately the acquisition of that parcel ...(inaudible). The school board has already said they ...(inaudible). Commissioner Van Gelder: Thank you. So we have no idea in terms of time when that parcel will be available. 6 We do need to check that the guidelines have compatibility with the sub -regional and regional plans. Director: For your information SCAG can provide some Land Use maps on Colton and the County of Riverside so by looking at the other General Plans you can evaluate where the industrial areas are versus ours and compatibility between uses, parks etc. The Circulation element -whether the major arterials are aligned with ours or are different. So that's the way it starts, by requesting General Plan elements from different cities and SCAG to see how we fit and also the data from traffic models and housing data. Task Force Member Jim Singley: My name is Jim Singley. I live at 11996 Paradise. I'm a Task Force member and also City Councilperson. I just want to bring something out here. I'd like to suggest that whenever you refer to the parcel of land at the Senior Citizen's Center that you refer to it as the Susan B. Petta park. I think that's what the City Council decided. That's in honor to . . .(inaudible). Other than that, she is absolutely correct. Commissioner Van Gelder: Councilman Singley, are you going to participate in the Juan Valdez contest, in reference to the earlier Blue Mountain Coffee House project? Task Force Member Jim Singley: I don't think I look like him, thanks. Plus I don't drink coffee myself. The Chair recognized Commissioner Huss for comment. ,i Commissioner Huss: Responding to Commissioner Van Gelder's comment regarding the term "home -oriented" services we could use "neighborhood" services. And then I thought if she doesn't like the wording, to me family needs is anywhere from seniors down to children so I don't even really think you need to list them individually, just put "family needs of all ages". On the creation of the mixed land uses I think I must have talked with Councilmember Buchanan before when he was the Planning Commission Chairman because he was telling me about that seminar he went to. It's kind of a new idea going back to an old idea to be mixed uses where the upper story is used for living quarters and the building below for stores. This is one way to start reducing crime, using pedestrian traffic and that type of thing. If he does come and present the seminar material to us I think that would be a good idea. Vice -Chairman Wilson: Any other comments? I have a comment. On 2P the Blue Mountain hillside as a natural environment situation. I think this is a soft soap version of what might be perceived as an attempt to control Blue Mountain construction. What we talked about in the meetings centered around the fact that in land use you can have circumstances where you have some natural aesthetics. As you know our City of Grand Terrace, looking at the flag you see the mountains in the background there. We consider it to be a very scenic circumstance so rather than pinpoint Blue Mountain, the intention of this action is to develop a Specific Plan for hillside areas throughout the city. They really are a natural resource and unless we have some sort of control on these special areas we will get a bunch of shacks junked up against the hills. So the whole idea 10 behind the Specific Plan overlay is to try to control that circumstance so there are some special concerns for hillside areas throughout the City of Grand Terrace. Director: (Through the Chairman) Does anyone else from the Task Force want to respond? Vice -Chairman Wilson: Does this mean we go on to the next item? Are there any other comments? Director: Unless someone has anything else on Land Use. On the summary next is the Infrastructure Element. Let me just give you the summary of proposed changes. INFRASTRUCTURE ELEMENT Integrate Grand Terrace into the Regional picture in terms of evaluating impacts of adjacent cities' development; such as evaluate impact of I-215 possible widening and the Pigeon Pass Road traffic impact onto Grand Terrace. The use of Regional and Sub - regional computer models will be required to perform this evaluation. They didn't foresee how we would be impacted by traffic from all this adjacent development when the General Plan update was put together six to seven years ago. Increase of Regional and Sub -Regional traffic through Grand Terrace is to be dispersed through our major arterials to the freeway without increase of speed on our roads and not disrupt residential neighborhoods. Proposal for a new freeway access at Iowa to be evaluated. In case not feasible in the short run, along with the construction of Commerce Way, consider transforming Michigan Avenue into a major business park/industrial access road. So basically, there are two major issues, one to see what the impact of other traffic is, how it will affect Grand Terrace and how do we mitigate against it. The other is thinking about the industrial area, if we don't have the access to the freeway, and don't have Commerce Way built then how can we develop the industrial areas? Michigan Avenue which is essentially a residential road will need to be an industrial access and that is likely to be very controversial. It has been in the past but that is something we thought should be part of our discussion in the Infrastructure/Circulation Element. Also, included in new changes are improvement of several intersections and links within the City including but not restricted to Michigan/Barton intersection; Barton Road ingress and egress into Bank of America and Town and Country Center. It seems that everyone in the Planning Commission and Task Force has a problem with that area. In case of the Barton Rd./Michigan intersection an offramp connecting directly to Commerce Way was proposed. None of the Circulation improvements proposed are to increase speed but to alleviate congestion and increase safety keeping service levels at "C". Also, the Barton Road and Palm Avenue area presents a problem with the Azure Hills Church parking. It's much less now but still people have concerns about that area. Many actions added to implement a multi -modal transportation system, from pursuing funding for bike trails, transit stations, installation of Dial -A -Ride service for all citizens to continue support for community shuttle and means of connecting residents with other Sub -Regional Transportation Systems. 11 t Develop studies and cooperative agreements with adjacent jurisdictions on vital thoroughfares such as Mt. Vernon Avenue and La Cadena Avenue. We saw some problems on Mt. Vernon Avenue for example because of the potential hillside sliding. On La Cadena Avenue there are portions in Grand Terrace and others which are Colton, improvements needed in both areas.. Every time we have some major transportation issues or issues related to traffic it was recommended that we get together with the other cities and not just send the General Plan for comments but actually have a coordinated meeting to see what the city plans are and how can we work together. Pursue transportation funding and develop Traffic Impact Fee to help pay for needed improvement. That's it for the Infrastructure Element. This is my summary and it is brief. We talked about infrastructure but the only aspects we talked about was circulation. I just wanted to bring up to the Planning Commission that the Infrastructure Element still has all the other activities and we haven't got to that point yet. So that's why I'm just addressing circulation. This completes my summary on this. Vice -Chairman Wilson: To begin with infrastructure I think that is a general agreement. Director: I was just going to refer you to the first blue colored element in the packet. Vice -Chairman Wilson: On those policies and actions related to the streets, on the first item la) I was a little loose on who we are working with on the widening of I-215, in order to help alleviate congestion at Washington Avenue. Director: Originally this issue was introduced by Task Force Member JoAnn Johnson and perhaps she can explain. There were two main items to it. Before the ramp was installed at Washington Avenue we had alot more problems. And also, before we had the stop sign at Mt. Vernon Avenue we had alot more problems with Mt. Vernon Avenue. So the idea was to have a frontage road that followed the freeway to connect the cities of Grand Terrace and Colton without having Mt. Vernon Avenue so problematic. Now with that ramp the area is much better. The I-215 project has a PSI report, a large traffic analysis, and a whole study proposing widening of I-215. I worked with our CTC, Riverside Transportation Commission. A couple years ago they were planning to widen I-215, and also have carpool lanes and they had 2 or 3 options on how big that project can go according to funding. Well right now they have transferred all funding to other major routes. The I-215 project now has no funding. There is minimum public works funds. In any case they will add at least, if the funding is provided, a HOV lane. Maybe Task Force Member JoAnn can add to this and read some of the comments that originally came from the group. Task Force Member JoAnn Johnson: Some of these comments were made before improvement in the area down the hill. Some of them have been alleviated since then. The original idea was to take some of the pressure off of the freeway entrance and to have a lane going directly from Barton Road to Washington Avenue without going onto the freeway itself. The other idea was to improve the path from Barton Road over to La Cadena Avenue and again take some of the pressure off the freeway entries. Vice -Chairman Wilson: So on this, in order to understand we're working with other agencies that are responsible. Does Caltrans develop this? 12 l 14 Director: Yes, Caltrans and there are many, many agencies, including SANBAG. Vice-chairman Wilson: So to clarify, we really need to work with those agencies. Director: Right, that's something that really should be reworded. The way it was worded was for the specific problem. Vice -Chairman Wilson: And is that frontage road from Barton Road to Washington Avenue still a feasibility? Director: I don't think they're considering a frontage road, no. They are considering just an HOV lane. Task Force Member Phyllis Ann Forbes Sternberg: Didn't we hear the Redevelopment Agency of Colton was reviewing that comer. They used redevelopment funds for theirs. And we were discussing a grant something similar to be done ...(inaudible). They probably ...(inaudible) our and we were supposed to get the ... (inaudible)..Caltrans but now the funds are delayed six years -it was supposed to be delayed five, but now it's six. Director: So there's no funds at this time for the I-215 improvements. Vice -Chairman Wilson: I might bring up also that the widening of I-215, would make widening of Barton Road inevitable. Would you enlighten us generally on the kind of potential impacts we have from other cities, because I think it's probably the most critical kind of regional issue forcing down on us from the South, I guess. Director: It seems the traffic from Pigeon Pass Road, I think that's what you mean, will increase significantly if or when all approved development is in place, along with the development of Moreno Valley. SANBAG conducted study on North/South corridor improvements which included Pigeon Pass Road, San Timoteo and Reche Canyon. They were proposing to do this North/South corridor improvement, in case I-215 Freeway is not improved or instead of it. If that happens the traffic Grand Terrace will receive from Pigeon Pass Road will be enormous. It would be doubling our capacity for Barton Road, for example. So our original suggestion to SANBAG, was to follow up with the study, and then I don't know exactly what happened, but the whole study of the North/South corridor was tabled. They haven't talked about it for two years now. So I don't know if it going to be brought up again. In case that study is pursued we should request further studies of what kind of mitigation measures we might have for Grand Terrace. One of them was because the traffic is going to come from Pigeon Pass Road onto Center Street. Center Street cannot be enlarged much because it has a great deal of historical monuments. Main Street is an alternate but it cannot handle all of the trucks. The trucks will take Mt. Vernon Avenue and Michigan Avenue so it's going to be distributed into our city. We wanted to get an entry into the freeway at Iowa Avenue so the traffic that is headed toward San Bernardino (instead of going to Mt. Vernon Avenue or Michigan Avenue) will be entering the freeway first. That's very hard to have a ramp there because the distance between the Center Street ramp and Barton Road is less than a mile. There's some kind of Caltrans requirement that makes this very difficult. And also we have alot of people . . . (inaudible) . . . We wanted to connect that ramp to 13 4 Commerce Way. Between Commerce Way and the freeway there is an Edison easement and a railroad easement so it's real difficult to do that connection. It's very costly, but it's not impossible. Task Force Member Phyllis Sternberg said Colton got that ramp there and it doesn't meet any codes. So if they can get it, maybe we can get it also. It just depends on how much we can lobby. Vice -Chairman Wilson: So that's the purpose of this particular action. It should be reworded to be self explanatory. To achieve these goals it seems it needs to include lobbying for these issues. Please reword it accordingly. Director: Yes, we need to reword the whole thing regarding the I-215 improvements (1, 2, 3, 6 & 7) as well. Vice -Chairman Wilson: Thank you. There was a portion of the synopsis that talked about improvement of several intersections and links within the City and it talked about the Barton Road/Palm area. Of course you know that is one of my bug -a -boos. I don't think I agree with you that the traffic situation is getting better at Barton Road and Palm area. Director: After the new school we added 90 parking stalls. Vice -Chairman Wilson: I know, and I think the concept is a good, sound concept. I'm sure everybody has tried real hard, but it's still a dangerous condition. There are cars parked on both sides, and even cars pulling out of Perry's and Mark's parking lots. I guess my question is in relation to actions; we need to have some kind of plan to deal with existing overparked conditions. Director: In fact the Task Force discussed that and decided not to put specifics into the General Plan but to have a separate action by the Planning Commission. The direction of the Task Force was, if they have the parking lot full and they still need additional parking they should not be allowed to have any street parking and should be required to improve an off -site facility. That is already in the code. Businesses, churches and any other, need to provide on -site parking, and if they are not able to provide on -site parking then they need to purchase other lots. The Task Force had talked about the lot that is adjacent to the new school. I think that is Mr. DeBenedet's property, on Center City Court, adjacent to Mt. Vernon. Perhaps improve that lot or the lot on Palm Avenue, across from the church. Alot adjacent to the church that they could have more parking to support their overflow. When you talk to the church and say, "Are you guys filling up all of the parking spaces?" They say they have people there directing traffic and before they go on the street they are filling up all of our parking spaces. So they are trying and they are very happy their members are increasing but they need to be responding to the City. So that will be a separate action because it is so specific that the Task Force does not really want to incorporate it into the General Plan. Vice -Chairman Wilson: Actually, what I'd like to recommend is that in our attachments that we address Item F. Some sort of mechanism on how to deal with overparking conditions within the General Plan and how to deal with those particular areas. Maybe even pinpoint the areas that may be susceptible to poor parking conditions and how we're going to deal with that. Because it's something that happens in every community in 14 0 California almost. And there's always pockets, here and there, and we all know there's been a problem with these past conditions. The way we address it is to bandaid it with new construction. Every time new construction goes in then they go in and build a double sub or a three sub or whatever else to take care of that condition. Existing conditions as the population grows or matures ... are not addressed because there is no requirement. Director: I'd like to show you two alternatives that our committee worked on: One that we already implemented. Wilden Pump, for example, in our city we had several concerns with and several complaints from neighbors. They had expanded sometime in the past. The plans for expansion we reviewed didn't indicate a need for more parking at the time. But apparently they did expand and there was no way to figure out how many parking stalls they needed. So there was a parking problem. Through code enforcement, we required them to improve the lot across the street which they own so they had to start with the process. They are going to improve the lot across the street where they would like to expand in the future. So right now, what they gave us is a parking plan around a conceptional building that is for the future. For them to meet our needs they couldn't just do it by providing parking. We gave them credits for vanpool services that they have. They operate with three different employee shifts. Some people come at night, some people come during the day and the afternoon. They were given credit for shifts. We did not require 1 staff per employee, but we took into account the schedules and gave them credit for carpooling. If they have ten people carpooling everyday they don't need ten stalls, they can have one stall. So we gave those types of credits. There is one more way to resolve parking problems: In Tustin, the city where I worked before, they have everything developed in the downtown area. Downtown Tustin was a very old area, similar to Camino Real, with alot of history. There is no space for parking so every development that came in paid a fee to the City and after five or six years of accumulating those fees the City built a parking structure. Beverly Hills did that also. Every development on Beverly Drive and Rodeo Drive, all helped pay for a parking structure. They built a huge parking structure -a beautiful red brick building. I don't remember how many stories. So that's another way cities can provide parking; if all the developments pay a fee. In our City it would be hard to accumulate a fee to do a parking structure, but eventually we could. It doesn't need to be a multi -story parking structure, just something that would provide for the downtown development. So that would be another way to resolve the parking issue. We could incorporate that into our policies and actions. Task Force Member Phyllis Ann Forbes Sternberg: The other way is the Police Department who/which is very cooperative and they will work with you. You can post the property and give a warning to the people one time. Commissioner Huss: We need to have everyone who speaks go to the microphone because the missing Commissioners requested specifically detailed minutes. Phyllis Sternberg: The Police Department has been very cooperative in Grand Terrace, extremely so. I don't know if you are aware that the businesses at the property at 22545 Barton Road was having such a problem on Saturdays, that the hairdressing shop had no place in their huge parking lot to get anyone in. They dealt with alot of elderly people. They would go to the Police Department and find out all they could do. They had to 15 come in and post signs that said that only people who were doing business in that center could park there, and we all watched the lot. If it wasn't their customers we had to go post something on the windshield saying this is private, "since you are not doing business here please be aware we can tow your car away. " They did the same thing the next week. We only towed away five cars and never had a problem since. Director: That's another way. Vice -Chairman Wilson: Any other comments so far, about the Infrastructure Element? I know we've kind of focused on the parking situation. My next comment is about, basically our consciousness about the Regional impacts on our traffic system. And since we're not really addressing the condition of sewers and of course water is not under our jurisdiction so much since it is a private water system. The only other I wanted to do was make a comment about the bicycle trail situation. Is it my understanding that the RTIP Bicycle Trail Plan... where does it come from? Director: Well, it's the County Bicycle Plan. We can actually apply for grants which this year they have only $400,000 for everybody in the County, so it's not that much. Last year our application by itself was for $700,000 so if they have only $400,000 for the whole County it is not good. So they have a bicycle plan for the County and it describes the different types of bike trails, primary and secondary trails and all the different types. They include how developed they are and how good they are. Larry can give the Planning Commission an overview. He is a bicycler and can give you an idea of what our input was in the process of County Bicycle Plan development. Larry Mainez, Planning Technician: Basically our input consisted of ...they divided us into teams and we represented this area. We were to submit to the committee certain routes for different types of bicycle routes. Like Type 1 would be one that had street improvement or it's own right-of-way on the side of the road separate from the first. Second would be striping and third would be just signage. We had to indicate where those routes would be most feasible. And then they created a map presented to us and they even actually rode the route, some of the people on the committee rode the route and tested it and came back with their findings. And that was our input. There is a plan on file now and if you are on that plan and you decide to implement a bicycle plan within your development you are eligible for funding but you have to on that system to be eligible for funding. So we made sure the routes in our city were on there. Vice -Chairman Wilson: So at this point, the routes are one map unless they are funded and I guess the funding comes through SANBAG? Director: Yes, SANBAG is one source of funding. There is also State funding and Federal funding that we could pursue. That takes lots of time, but it can be done. Does that respond to your questions? Do you have any more specific questions? Vice -Chairman Wilson: No, that's fine. Let's move on. Commissioner Huss: Was that part of our congestion management plan or something else? I remember going over it but it was a separate thing? 16 4 0 Director: I think it was part of our workshop for your information. We adopted an interim, in order for us to submit the application for $700,000 we needed to have an interim bicycle plan and we didn't have one in the General Plan so came to the Planning Commission for approval and support. On that particular application selection process they had 16 parties. They approved 7 and we were number 8 which was very unlucky. It was basically to put bike trails, improve all the sidewalks, put benches and trees from Honey Hills to Barton Road to Mt. Vernon down to Main Street and Main Street down to Iowa. That's why it was so expensive. It was to install bike lanes all the way down. Commissioner Huss: Was that to put the utilities underground, too? Director: It didn't include that. We chose the side that didn't have the utilities because then it would be almost $1,500,000, not cost effective. Those utilities are major cables; the Edison company that goes regionally as well as our local electricity. It is huge lines that run along Mt. Vernon Avenue so that would have been very difficult for us to get funding to underground all of that. However, the Edison Company had a program, actually, I think all of the utilities have a program that as they receive money they need to put some money apart to underground utilities. And if the city decides to do underground districts for electricity they are required to underground the utilities. So we could have a public hearing and say Edison Company you have to underground all of your utilities and they are required to do so. I'm not sure we want to force them to do that but we could. Vice -Chairman Wilson: It is my understanding that in those situations there aren't any matching funds from the utilities necessarily. Director: That's what I understand they are. They help and they have a fund. They are required to save money for undergrounding their utilities. Rule 20 I think it's called, and I can bring that legislation back to you. Vice -Chairman Wilson: That would be interesting. Because I'm sure alot of people would be interested in the city. Although I know the cost to underground utilities in general is huge. Director: Yes, it is. That application originally was about $1,500,000. Then I took out the underground utilities because one criteria for them to approve that application is how cost efficient you have created this bike trail. How cost efficient it is. Some cities just wanted a bike trail but instead I wanted to fix the sidewalks and do the whole thing with benches and trees and lighting to make the whole thing very pretty. So if I kept the underground utilities I couldn't even compete. We decided to go on the other side of Mt. Vernon Avenue and we got very close. This year I wanted to try again but they only have $400,000 for everybody so I don't know yet what we're going to do. Vice -Chairman Wilson: Any other questions or comments? Commissioner Van Gelder: On number 13c we talk about the alternative entry for the Towne and Country Shopping Center. I think that certainly is needed but for the moment I would be happy with a very large entrance and exit signs because they are not 17 visible. I think that would at least help alleviate the problem until something permanent can be done. Director: That would be difficult. We are requesting the City Engineer to evaluate that issue but it will be difficult. They are all private businesses previously approved. Everybody has their own egress and ingress. Bank of America and the other office building there... it would be difficult because we would need to close some entries and open other entries. Maybe we could enter the office building... we shouldn't really be talking about specifics here... but it would not be an easy solution for that problem there. Commissioner Van Gelder: Well, Town & Country, isn't that the shopping center where the cleaners used to be? Director: Correct, and in front of it is the Bank of America and that's where the problem is ... (inaudible).. . Commissioner Van Gelder: She clarified Towne and Country was not the one she meant but the center on the south side of Barton towards the east. The entrance and exit signs are really not visible at all. They are very, very small and very close to the ground. Task Force Member Phyllis Ann Forbes Sternberg: They meet the city requirements. Director: Phyllis Sternberg is the center manager so we have the right person here. Phyllis Sternberg: We have had several complaints. The main complaint we've had at that location is everybody stops for the red light and then they want to get going. There is no way you can identify the number there let alone the businesses. Unfortunately our present rules for the signs limit to three. If you happen to have seventeen tenants please tell me which three you're going to pick. That's the real problem; they're all small individual business so we can't have a sign out front that says ABC. Now we were told to put the present sign. It looks small but, believe it or not, it's even a little bigger than your requirements. Commissioner Van Gelder: The entrance and exit signs? Phyllis Sternberg: No. Not the entrance and exit signs. What we're saying is that's all the bigger we're not even supposed to have the entrance and exit signs. They're extra signs that were not allowed. Until people were having congestion so now we're trying now to move the sign from where it is down by my office ... I have the office next door at Grand Terrace Real Estate. If we can put it there and only have the numbers for that location while you're sitting at the red light, maybe you can get in but then you still won't know who's in there. Director: Excuse me, Phyllis, I have a question of order. I think that tenant signs is a different subject, and better discussed at a staff level. Phyllis Sternberg: She was wondering about the entrance and exit signs and those are two signs more than we are supposed to have. 18 Vice -Chairman Wilson: I think what we are going too site specific probably. I think the mechanization is certainly valid. How to handle special conditions especially where traffic situations there's a sentiment that there are some very hazardous locations so probably in our actions there should be under Item 13C "Pursue safe entry and exit of traffic on Barton Road heading East" and in the rest of them maybe we need to make some stronger language there on how to deal with special entry/exit conditions in any kind of circumstances. Would that help? Commissioner Van Gelder: Would the City Engineer be able to give us the information on what's allowed and what's not allowed ... (inaudible) ... entrances and exits, I'm not talking about the facility's signage and specifics. Director: Yes. Vice -Chairman Wilson: Are there any other comments about the infrastructure? Alright, we'll go on to the City Air Quality Element. AIR QUALITY ELEMENT: According to the handout this element doesn't follow the format and some actions have not been developed yet. I think I remember the conversations in the Task Force meetings. Most of the air quality situations are handled on a regional level and there are many incentives for air quality handling. Policy #1 says to develop a local Air Quality Education Program. I'm not sure how we're going to handle that as a City or how extensive we get so maybe we can do some sort of outline on how this relates to our needs. I know there were many conversations about how the regional impact affects the City of Grand Terrace because the situation of the freeways are right on top of us as well as the through traffic we experience from Colton and how that impacts us not only in the infrastructure and streets but also the air quality. All of the items here in Auto Use; Policy 6 Eliminate Vehicle Trips and Reduce Vehicle Miles Traveled. I think they're closer ... (inaudible)... goals and I think they're in the process of working on that. I don't have alot of comment beyond what is already mentioned in the summary. As far as we are unable to do that as a City. Any comments? Director: I have given you a copy of our trip reduction ordinance adopted by our City Council, for us to be considered in compliance with the Congestion Management Plan, but also has many other functions. This ordinance outlines our duty; what we're supposed to do in terms of Air Quality. Larry Mainez is our Planning Technician, and a portion of his salary comes from AQMD, AB766 funds. That is part of his responsibility, to work on the Air Quality Element and outline an action plan which will be taken to the Task Force for specific review. Do you want to mention anything, Larry, on the air quality? I think the best thing would be for the Planning Commission to review the Trip Reduction Ordinance #147 that I gave to you and if you have any comments at the next meeting you can comment. Larry will be working to implement this ordinance. Whatever is in this ordinance in the action plan needs to be there in the Air Quality Element as well. The Air Quality Element should also be considered the county's because we took alot of this from the county. Do you want to add anything? Planning Technician: Nothing to add. Thank you. 19 The Chair recognized Commissioner Huss for a comment. Commissioner Huss: Did our community shuttle help to provide ... I know we've been working on this General Plan now for awhile. Was this all starting to take effect before the community shuttle? Have we gotten any credits yet? Director: Do we have credit or anything? We don't necessarily have credits but implementation of the community shuttle is one of the actions listed in our Trip Reduction Ordinance. Basically it's an implementation we took care of already and hopefully it's not going to die. It's hard to know. Before we go any further I want to remind you that it's 8:30 p.m. We have gone through our 1 hour. If the Commission would like to continue the General Plan we have three other items to go through. Commissioner Van Gelder: I move we continue this discussion to our next regularly scheduled meeting. Commissioner Huss: I'll second that motion. Vice -Chairman Wilson: Any discussion? Please vote. Commissioner Munson: I didn't hear a motion. Vice-chairman Wilson: Do you want to repeat the motion? Commissioner Van Gelder: I move that we continue the rest of this portion of the meeting until our next regularly meeting. Commissioner Huss: I second. Commissioner Munson: Is a motion necessary? Commissioner Van Gelder: Probably not but then no one was saying anything. Director: (Through the Chairman) We need to have a consensus only, this is not a public hearing. Everyone agrees, then we can go to the next item. Task Force members are welcome to stay for the rest of the meeting if you'd like to. Task Force Member Phyllis Ann Forbes Sternberg: I'd like to say one thing. I think we need to thank Patrizia for our nice community shuttle. I think it's so wonderful for the children. I hope we don't lose it because it's always sad to see kids walking all over town especially in the winter months when it gets dark between four and five o'clock. Thank you. Director: We need to thank Councilmember Hilkey, too. Vice -Chairman Wilson: I'd like to thank the Task Force Members for being here to participate and all the information you supplied and input. Other Commissioners supported Vice -Chairman's expression of appreciation to the Task Force. FA N ITEM #2 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF JUNE 1, 1995 WITH REVISIONS Vice -Chairman Wilson: The Chairman entertains a motion on the minutes. Senior Planner: Mr. Chairman and Commissioners a brief overview of the minutes. I attended in Patrizia's place at the last meeting. There were some concerns regarding the June 1st minutes. We have listened to the tapes. We have incorporated the specific items mentioned and they are listed in the summary items 1 through 3. We also wanted to indicate that summary minutes are overall discussions and that unless there is a specific item directly addressed by a certain Planning Commissioner it will not be so stated. We don't necessarily do verbatim other than for this meeting because of the request of the Chairman and Commissioner Addington wanting verbatim minutes for their review. You do have the minutes attached. We do ask that you give us your input; see if that meets your satisfaction and we'll go from here. Director: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a comment. We had a discussion of the Planning Commission a year and half ago or two years ago, of what kind of minutes we should have. At the time Maggie, the previous secretary, was making 20 pages of verbatim minutes so the Planning Commission requested us to do summary minutes. We thought about making action minutes like the City Council, however, they only put the motions. That was too little for the Planning Commission so we decided to make summary minutes. The summary minutes are really a summary of the major issues. There are no direct quotes. Like the Senior Planner said, unless the Commissioner is the sole initiator of a particular issue there is no direct quote. The minutes should have the perspective of all three parties: the Planning Commission, the staff and the applicant so we should be able to see that in there. When you review the minutes you can look at that and keep us on our toes. That's the way it's supposed to be. So I just wanted to mention that to you in perspective. MOTION PCM-95-24 Commissioner Huss: I like the changes so I'd like to move approval of the June 1, 1995 minutes. Commissioner Munson: I'll second. Vice -Chairman Wilson: Any discussion? Please vote. MOTION VOTE PCM-95-24 Secretary: Motion carries. All ayes. 5-0-2-0. Chairman Sims and Commissioner Addington absent. 21 0 ITEM #3 Z95-03/E-95-07 CITY OF GRAND TERRACE AN APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 5.06 HOME OCCUPATION PERMIT PROCEDURES AND CRITERIA. Vice -Chairman Wilson: Is there a staff report? Senior Planner: Mr. Chairman and Commissioners, we have incorporated all of the corrections and comments that we had at the last meeting. We have given the Planning Commission two options. The reason staff is offering another alternative is to possibly offer some more input as there was quite a bit of discussion at the last meeting. Alternative 1-We are presenting the corrections to the proposed HOP Amendment from the last meeting. It is requested that you review and ensure to us that they are complete, accurate and have full clarity as proposed. Alternative 2-We are offering to research the HOP code enforcement cases as that was brought up by some of the Planning Commissioners, to show the Planning Commission what may be the impact of this amendment in terms of flexibility of home -based businesses and impact to the residential neighborhoods. That would require additional research and analysis, with us coming back with this additional information to you if you wish to choose this alternative. Please give yourself some time if you haven't done so already to review the corrections we've done from the last meeting. They are pretty much focused on those corrections that you voted on, which was Chapter 5.06.010a Home Occupations Permitted and that was proposed by Commissioner Addington. Also on Chapter 5.06.040a Home Occupation Criteria for approval and that deals with individuals who may work on the premises, It wording we had incorporated and the elimination of the definition of "employee". Please review this to see if covers what we discussed at the last meeting. Also, if you need another explanation as to what we are offering as alternative 2, the Community Development Director can give you some additional input on that. Director: Alternative 2 was my idea. The reason I bring that to you is before we approve this amendment I prefer, although it's really up to you, to study the impact of the amendment. Because it will go to the City Council as a recommendation of the Planning Commission. The City Council is going to ask us what will happen as a result? What kind of code enforcement cases are we going to have? Are we going to liberate all of the businesses to have large scale or small scale businesses out of the house? What is this going to create? At this point now, as a staff member, I'm not quite comfortable with the way the proposal is going to the City Council. I'll need to tell the City Council this is what the Planning Commission recommends and I have some problems. I prefer not to do that but I'll need to do that. My preference would be to bring to you what is going to be the impact of the amendment the way it is now and after you review the impact you can go ahead and approve the way it is or choose to amend it further. Vice -Chairman Wilson: To cut to the chase, is there something specific in here that you have a problem with? Director: Yes. First, I thought that Commissioner Garcia brought up the idea of seeing some code enforcement issues which I thought was a good idea. But also, what I have a problem with the impact of the amendment. I thought today that Bob Dominguez was 22 going to be here. He is one of our neighbors on Palm Avenue. He has complained several times about all of the cars in front of the house across the street from him. He says this family has 8 cars. He said they have a surveyor business in there as well. So for the last six months we have evaluated that property to see if there was a surveyor business there and it was confirmed. Now, however, there is no more surveyor business operating out of the home. But the family still has 8 cars. There is a son who came from Texas that is living there now but there is nothing we can do. They do not have a home occupation. They just need to keep moving their cars every 72 hours so there is nothing really we can do to help him. However, if it was a result of a home occupation, we could. If those cars were commercial cars and they belonged to sub- contractors or they belonged to employees of his home occupation we could restrict it. The proposal staff brought to you was to allow some flexibility to home occupations of slightly larger scale, it was not to allow them altogether. Right now, my problem is that the amendment seems to allow them altogether. So I don't know if you remember the real estate person who came here, Mr. Kenneth Steele, on a code enforcement matter. We had huge amount of problems with the whole neighborhood on Westwood Street because of that real estate company and the reason was his sub -contractors were coming to the house and he was telling us that they were not coming to the house. There is a level of small scale home occupation versus a large scale home occupation which is very hard to pinpoint where that is. One is good for the neighborhood and the other is not. The way the amendment looks now we're opening it up to all home occupations and I am concerned with what it is going to cause. Our goal is to help business flexibility but it is also to protect the neighborhood so I have some concerns. I prefer to bring some specific examples to you and see if the direction is still the same or not. That's where I'm coming from. I'm just afraid we're opening it up too much. Vice -Chairman Wilson: Commissioner Garcia? Commissioner Garcia: I have to say this, I'm always one for more information. How long would it take, Patrizia? Director: Until the next meeting. We can bring it to you then. Commissioner Garcia: I know that Maria was presenting that the importance of the contractors... inaudible... feel very strongly about having... (inaudible). I would like to move for alternative 2, to bring it back for further discussion. Commission Huss: I'd like to see more. Vice -Chairman Wilson: I think the consensus is that everyone would like to take advantage of the additional time to understand the difference between the large scale use and the small scale home occupation businesses. Since it is an agenda item do we need to bring a motion? Director: I think it would be good to have a motion. We have a motion. Do you have a second? Commissioner Huss: I'll second. 23 Vice -Chairman Wilson: Let's repeat the motion. MOTION PCM-95-25 Z-95-03/E-95-07 Commissioner Garcia: On Z-95-03 and E-95-07 I move we select Alternative 2, to do additional research on the code enforcement impact of proposed amendment to relax HOP regulations. Commissioner Huss: I'll second. Vice -Chairman Wilson: Any discussion? Please vote. MOTION VOTE PCM-95-25 Secretary: Motion carried. All ayes. 5-0-2-0. Chairman Sims and Commissioner Addington absent. ITEM #4 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINIMS - RUNE 15, 1995 Vice -Chairman Wilson: Item #4; Minutes of Planning Commission meeting of June 15, 1995. MOTION PCM-95-26 Commissioner Van Gelder: Move for approval. Commissioner Garcia: Second. Vice -Chairman Wilson: It has been seconded. Any discussion? Please vote. MOTION VOTE PCM-95-26 Secretary: Motion carried. 4-0-2-1. Commissioner Munson abstained. Chairman Sims and Commissioner Addington absent. 24 8:45 P.M. ADJOURNED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO BE HELD ON AUGUST 3. 1995. Respectfully submitted, Patrizia Materassi Community Development Director 07-24-95 : pp c:\wp5l\planning\minutes\07-06-95.M Approved ��eT Wilson Vice -Chairman, Planning Commission 25