08/25/1980 CITY OF GRAND TERRACE
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
AUGUST 25, 1980
A regular meeting of the Planning Commission, City of Grand Terrace, was held in
the First Baptist Church of Grand Terrace, 12354 Mt. Vernon, Grand Terrace,
California on August 25, 1980 at 6:44 p.m.
PRESENT: Frank Tetley, Chairman
Sandy Collins , Vice-Chairman
Vern Andress, Commissioner
Winifred Bartel , Commissioner
William DeBenedet, Commissioner
Tom Rivera, Commissioner
Lillian Smith, Commissioner
Jean Laurin, Planning Staff
Brian Esgate, Engineering Staff
Myrna Lindahl , City Clerk
ABSENT: Doug Erway, Commissioner
John McDowell , Commissioner
The meeting was opened with the Pledge of Allegiance led by Commissioner Smith and
oral roll call .
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - AUGUST 11 , 1980
PCM-80-65 Motion was made by Commissioner Collins, seconded by Commissioner
Bartel and carried unanimously to approve the Minutes of August 11 ,
1980 as submitted.
ZONE CHANGE REQUEST - CONTINUED FROM CITY COUNCIL 8/7/80
Applicant: Laguna Pacific Development Company
Proposal : Zone Change from A-1-5-T to R-1 on 21 .8 acres;
86 lot subdivision on 21 .8 acres.
Location: E/s of Oriole Avenue, between Van Buren & Pico
Rep: Madole & Associates, Inc.
Planning Staff, Jean Laurin, made a presentation stating the
adoption of a zone change for the subject property from A-1-5-T
to R-1-10,000-T, with the lots to be 10,000 sq. ft. minimum,
was heard by the City Council on August 7, 1980. She recommended
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the applicant attend the City Council Meeting to present his case
regarding overriding the Planning Commission decision; however,
on the advisement of the City Attorney, Council referred the matter
back to the Planning Commission for review. The property owner
requests no zone change if the Planning Commission does not concur
with the R-1 zone.
Chairman Tetley called upon the applicant for input to the hearing.
SUPPORTING TESTIMONY
Mr. Chuck Costello, representing Laguna Pacific Development Company,
stated a different concept was presented during discussion at the
City Council Meeting of August 7, 1980, whereby three parcels of the
subdivision could be zoned R-1, 7,200 square feet, with the fourth
parcel which is located on a higher elevation could be zoned R-1-
10,000-T, 10,000 square feet minimum. He feels the lots in the
R-1 zone will still be approximately 8,200 square feet average,
and there will be no subdivision planned, unless some agreeable
solution can be reached.
Mr. Jerry Irby, 22738 Pico, the owner of one of the parcels , stated
he doesn't feel three of the parcels are view lots , and would not
be compatible for 10,000 sq. foot lots, since they will be integrated
with the existing housing, which is zoned R-1.
Mr. Denis Kidd, 22874 Pico, the owner of three of the parcels ,
stated many lots in a subdivision on DeBerry Street which are the
same elevation as the parcels under consideration, are 7,200 sq.
feet, and feels it is unfair to require larger size lots on this
subject subdivision.
Chairman Tetley called for opposing testimony. There was none.
Following discussion, MOTION was made by Commissioner Rivera to
approve the plan for the three parcels on the lower level to be
zoned R-1, with the parcel on the higher elevation to be zoned
R-1-10,000-T. The Motion died for lack of a second.
Following discussion involving pad size versus lot size, and the
fact that the other subdivisions were approved prior to incorporation,
MOTION was made by Commissioner Collins , seconded by Chairman
Tetley, to change the R-1-10,000-T to R-1, 7,200 sq . feet, for Assessor's
Parcel Nos. 277-181-3, 277-181-08 and 277-181-09, and Assessor's
Parcel No. 277-181-10 to be changed to zone R-1-8,500-T, with a T-
Standard for these lots to be that zoning minumum level plot.
Discussion was held regarding difficulties in designing a subdivision
under that criteria. The MOTION failed on AYE vote of Commissioner Collins,
with the remaining Commissioners present voting NOE
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MOTION was made by Commissioner Rivera, seconded by Commissioner
Andress, that the lots in the lower elevation be zoned R-1 , 7 ,200
square feet, with the higher elevation lots being zoned R-1-10,000-T
as proposed by the developer. The Motion failed on AYE votes of
Commissioners Rivera and Andress, with the remaining Commissioners
present voting NOE.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Smith to approve the lower three
lots to be zoned R-1 , 7,200 square feet average minumum pad size,
and the upper parcel to be zoned at R-1-10,000-T square feet average.
The Motion died for lack of a second .
PCM-80-66 MOTION was made by Commissioner DeBenedet, seconded by Commissioner
Rivera, that Assessor's Parcel .dos. 277-181-03, 277-181-08 and 277-
181-09 be zoned R-1-8,500-T; that Assessor's Parcel No. 277-181-10
be zoned R-1-9,500-T, with the T-Standard to read the lot areas are
average sizes, and the zone change and tentative tract are to be
continued until a new map is prepared. The Motion carried unanimously.
TENTATIVE TRACT 11450
Applicant: Roy Roberts
Proposal : A) 13 lot subdivision on .78 acres
B) 12 unit condominium on .78 acres
Location: W/s Preston Street, approx. 190' N/o Palm Avenue
File/Index: A) SUB/80-1005/E228-120/TR11450
B) LSH/80-1006/E228-120
Rep: Hawkins, Robertson & Associates
Planning Staff, Jean Laurin, gave a presentation, stating this is
a proposed large scale housing project, in two parts, which must be
acted upon as one. The applicant plans to build a twelve-unit
condominium, and create thirteen lots. Ms . Laurin recommended
approval of the tentative tract and the large scale housing project.
Commissioner DeBenedet asked Engineering Staff, Brain Esgate, if
there will be a drainage problem. Mr. Esgate stated this is a
concern, and will have to be coordinated with the adjacent property
owners, the City, and the apartment owners , as to whether the
drainage will be taken out or a dry well installed with overland
flow. He stated Engineering Staff will have to be satisfied
regarding drainage before the map is allowed to be recorded.
Chairman Tetley called upon the applicant for input to the hearing.
SUPPORTING TESTIMONY
Mr. Roy Roberts, 5871 Argyle, Riverside, presented an architectural
rendering of the view of the condominiums from Preston Street.
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Mr. Curt Hawkins , Hawkins, Robertson & Associates, stated they
are aware of the potential drainage problem, and believes the
soil condition will allow setting up some type of percolation to
handle the ten year storm and nuisance flow, with the possibility
of obtaining a letter from the City to handle any super flow in
the event of a tremendous storm.
Chairman Tetley then called for opposing testimony.
OPPOSING TESTIMONY
Mrs. Lula Armstrong, 12172 Preston Street, stated she lives on the
south side of the proposed development, and questioned there being
enough room to build twelve condominiums plus an extra lot in that
area, since the property is only 271 feet deep. She also questioned
how far away from her property the building would take place.
Engineering Staff, Brian Esgate, stated the building would be six
feet from Mrs. Armstrong' s property, with a block wall on the side.
The condominiums will be 1 ,400 feet in size, with a price range of
approximately $80,000 to $81 ,500. The garages will all be at the
rear of the development.
Mr. Johnnie Lisenby, 12044 Preston Street, questioned what size the
driveway will be, and whether it would be large enough for the
ingress-egress of automobiles. He also questioned drainage.
Mrs. Sharon Carlisle, 12073 Preston Street, voiced concern regarding
the condominiums blocking the view from their property, and the
potential increase in parking problems , stating a problem already
exists with the present apartments. She stated they had signed a
homeowner' s agreement stating they would not park on the street.
Mr. Roberts stated two parking spaces per unit have been provided,
as well as six extra spaces, and stated they can restrict parking.
Chairman Tetley closed public hearing.
PCM-80-67 MOTION was made by Chairman Tetley, seconded by Commissioner Bartel ,
and carried unanimously to amend the Conditions by adding Condition
5A as follows: "If, at the time of the application for the building
permits, the City of Grand Terrace has an Architectural Review
Committee, then those plans must be submitted to the Architectural
Review Committee prior to the permits being issued, submitted to and
approved by the Architectural Committee. "
PCM-80-68 MOTION was made by Commissioner Andress, seconded by Commissioner Smith,
and carried unanimously to approve Tentative Tract 11450 for one year,
as delineated on the map, subject to the attached conditions, as well
as the addition of Condition No. 5A, and to approve the large scale
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housing project for one year, subject to the attached conditions
and the conditions of Tentative Tract 11450; that the Negative
Declaration be adopted and the City Clerk be instructed to file
a Notice of Determination.
ADJOURN TO PUBLIC WORK SESSION
The regular meeting of the Planning Commission adjourned to Public
Work Session at 8:27 p.m. There being no business to discuss, the
Public Work Session adjourned at 8:29 p.m. The next regular meeting
of the Planning Commission will be held on Monday, September 8, 1980
at 6:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
City Verk
Approved:
airman
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