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02/11/1988CITY OF GRAND TERRACE COUNCIL MINUTES REGULAR MEETING - FEBRUARY 11, 1988 A regular meeting of the City Council of the City of Grand Terrace was called to order in the Council Chambers, Grand Terrace Civic Center, 22795 Barton Road, Grand Terrace, California, on February 11, 1988, at 5:33 p.m. PRESENT: Byron Matteson, Mayor Barbara Pfennighausen, Mayor Pro Tem Hugh J. Grant, Councilmember Dennis L. Evans, Councilmember Susan Shirley, Councilmember Thomas J. Schwab, City Manager/Finance Director Randy Anstine, Assistant City Manager Juanita Brown, Deputy City Clerk Ivan Hopkins, City Attorney David Sawyer, Planning Director Joe Kicak, City Engineer ABSENT: NONE The meeting was opened with invocation by Pastor Ray Williams, Grandview Baptist Church, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance led by Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen. Mayor Matteson asked Council if there were any items to be deleted? The City Manager requested Item 3(D) -- January 28, 1988 Minutes since they are not ready. Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen requested Item 8(D) -- Appeal of Planning Commission decision of 1/18/88 (SA-87-11) be continued until March 10, 1988. Mayor Matteson asked if there was anyone in the audience who wished to speak on the continuance? Jerry Dow Mr. Dow stated they were prepared to get some input from MS Partnership the City Council tonight, indicating they had not heard about a continuance. Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen stated that the Planning Commission Minutes for that meeting are not ready or available to the other members of this Council. Therefore, she was requesting that this item be continued until March 10, 1988. CC-88-17 Motion by Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen, second by Councilmember Evans, ALL AYES, that Item 8(D) be continued until March 10, 1988. CONSENT CALENDAR 0 Mayor Matteson asked Council if there were any items on the Consent Calendar to be removed for discussion. CC-88-18 Motion by Councilmember Shirley, second by Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen, ALL AYES, to approve the remainder of the Consent Calendar. Item A - Approve Check Register No. 021188 Item B - Ratify February 11, 1988 CRA Action Item C - Waive Full Reading of Ordinances and Resolutions on Agenda. Item D - Deleted Item E - Appropriation for Eminent Domain Proceedings. ORAL REPORTS Item 5A-3a Ms. Korgan reported that the Coordinator of the Crime Community Busters Program has resigned. She introduced Mrs. Deborah Services Officer Mueller and her daughter Angela, who have volunteered their service to the Crime Busters Program. She then gave a report on the upcoming Safety Fair and the Citizens Patrol program and stated that E.J. Snow Ford donated the Citizens Patrol car and the Lion's Club has donated $2,000.00 for the Citizens Patrol training and uniforms. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION Dick Yost Mr. Yost gave an update on the Chamber of Commerce's President of the current events and future events. Chamber of Commerce Gary Arnold Mr. Arnold expressed his feelings regarding the election 709 N. Bradford of the City Attorney and also Executive Sessions. Placentia Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen thanked Mr. Arnold for his concerns, but stated that the City Council does not need his assistance in running the City. She stated that the people of Grand Terrace elected them to make the decisions for the City, which included contracting many of its services. Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 2 Continued Public Participation Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen pointed out that if the citizens of this community choose to have the City Attorney elected, then they can petition Council for that. Mr. Arnold stated that she was incorrect, he being a part of the public has a right to petition the government. Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen stated she was not saying that he could not speak, but felt his input was not needed in telling the Council how to run the City. Dick Rollins Mr. Rollins stated he would like to join the Crime 22700 DeBerry Prevention Committee, as well as remain a member of the Parks and Recreation Committee and asked if there was policy which would prohibit him from doing that. City Attorney Hopkins replied, he did not recall there being such a policy, but felt it would be up to Council whether or not they would permit that. Councilmember Grant stated he was not in opposition to a person serving on more than one committee. Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen concurred with Councilmember Grant. r- ti t Mr. Rollins stated he will submit his application and continued his discussion with reflecting on the Citizens Patrol program. Tony Petta Since we will be celebrating Abraham Lincoln's birthday, 11875 Eton Drive Mr. Petta reflected on the many accomplishments of Abraham Lincoln that he admired. He made reference to the issue of potential park sites and offered his services as a broker, free of cost to the City. He stated he attended a meeting in Fontana, sponsored by the Fair Political Practice Commission, and a question came up regarding the Conflict of Interest Code, and asked the City Attorney to explain it. City Attorney Hopkins stated the general rule is that if it affects the substantial portion of the community in the same manner that affects that particular Councilmember, then he does not have a conflict and may participate in the decision. Mayor Matteson directed the City Manager to put Mr. Petta's offer as broker on the Agenda for the next meeting. City Manager Schwab agreed. k Y- Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 3 ORAL REPORTS Committee Reports Ralph Buchwalter Mr. Buchwalter, Chairman of the Crime Prevention 22970 Merle Ct. Committee, discussed accomplishments and upcoming events of the Crime Prevention Committee and advised of their current committee vacancies. Mayor Matteson stated the safety fair was very educational last year and hoped that the Foothill Journal would endorse the upcoming affair. CC-88-19 Motion by Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen, second by Councilmember Evans, ALL AYES, to accept the resignations of Bob Bailes, Laurie Payce and Jamie Butler with regret and that appropriate letters be sent out to all three and vacancies posted. Viola Gratson Mrs. Gratson, Chairperson of the Historical and Cultural 12168 Mt. Vernon Activities Committee, gave an update on the requested Avenue banner explaining the purpose, as well as what it would look like and gave an update on their upcoming events. CC-88-20 Motion by Councilmember Grant, second by Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen, ALL AYES, to approve this request for this expenditure for a permanent banner for the Historical and Cultural Activities Committee be approved by this Council. COUNCIL REPORTS Councilmember Councilmember Evans inquired as to the status of the Evans development on Pico Park Site. City Manager Schwab replied, staff is currently developing an idea for what we would like to have developed and stated that the Engineering Department is doing some topographic work on that development. He indicated that one ballfield should be developed by the end of this fiscal year, and if not, we will be back before Council for other direction. Councilmember Evans asked the City Manager if he will be preparing a time schedule for Council as to what is available and is hoped to be accomplished. City Manager Schwab agreed to prepare a schedule. Councilmember Evans asked the City Manager if he had conferred with the Parks and Recreation Committee in reference to the development? Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 4 Continued Council Reports City Manager Schwab replied, staff will be asking the Parks and Recreation Committee to put that on their Agenda for their March meeting and to give Council some recommendations as to what they see as priority. Councilmember Evans asked if a time schedule would be available by the next Council meeting. City Manager Schwab replied, as soon as staff gives it to the Parks and Recreation Committee they will also make copies for Council. Councilmember Evans stated Council had an opportunity to review the original draft of the City's General Plan last Friday and in that document there was a proposal made by the consultants that Barton Road be improved with a center median which would be landscaped. He stated he would like to see this phased in with the upgrade of Barton Road and getting a preliminary cost, if there is concurrence of Council. Council concurred with Mayor Matteson stating that it was a good idea with not only the median, but trees along the side. Councilmember Councilmember Shirley reported that she attended the Shirley Omnitrans Board meeting February 3, 1988, as representative of the City. Councilmember Councilmember Grant reported attending the Omnitrans Board Grant meeting as alternate; attended the SANDBAG meeting and the County Transportation Commission meeting as the principal member on the same day. He indicated that he received a memorandum from the City Engineer regarding the substantial difference in cost for the reconstruction of Arliss Drive between Barton Road and Minona. He stated the partial construction of this thoroughfare would probably be sufficient to resolve the problems of flooding the residents have been experiencing. Mayor Matteson asked City Engineer Kicak what was his recommendation, the complete reconstruction or the partial reconstruction? City Engineer Kicak replied if we are just trying to solve the drainage problem, he believed the partial reconstruction would be adequate, but it's the drainage problem that we are concerned with. Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 5 Continued Council Reports Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen stated she believed we could spend $35,000.00 now and not adequately address the problem without removing the roadbed. She stated if we left the road the way it is and adjusted curbs and gutters, we are still going to have water flowing down and sitting in driveways. Councilmember Grant stated partial reconstruction would resolve the main cause of the water going into these residents' front yards. Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen replied, it still doesn't solve the problem because the grade of the road sits high and invited Council to go out and take a look at this before making a decision. City Engineer Kicak stated the problem we have now is that we have curbs in some areas that have sunk, there is no continuous grade along from Barton Road from the crown of Arliss as it comes out from Barton towards Minona. He felt if we remove the curb from where it is now and put in a straight grade between the top of the ground, north of Barton down to Minona, the curbs and driveways that will be constructed will provide adequate capacity for the drainage in that area to eliminate the problem that exists now. He stated the problem is a lack of consistent drainage that will carry that water off as a result of puddles. Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen asked if this is an adequate solution to the problem? City Engineer Kicak replied it's a solution to the drainage problem. However, if we are talking about reconstruction the full street to the curb standards it's not. City Manager Schwab stated since we did not put this item on the Agenda, the information that was provided to Councilmember Grant was what the cost would be to improve that particular stretch. He stated that there are other areas in the City that might be in even more need for this type of work and with the limited source of funds that are available, that might not be where you would put the funds. Mayor Matteson asked if he had consensus of Council for staff to look at citywide flooding problems and bring it back to Council as soon as possible. Council concurred. Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 6 Continued Council Reports Mayor Pro Tem Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen reported attending the Pfennighausen Southern California Associated Governments (SCAG) Conference, as well as Councilmember Evans. She stated she had some concerns in our continued membership in SCAG in that SCAG seems to only address problems in Los Angeles and Orange County. Councilmember Grant felt staff should look into the value of SCAG. Councilmember Evans stated what we probably need to do is to consolidate and bring together the representatives in this southern part of California and have SCAG start harvesting our problems so that we can more utilize and make more intelligent decisions as growth comes into the area. PUBLIC HEARING Item 6(A) Assistant City Manager Anstine reported that the San Housing & Bernardino County Board of Supervisors is in the process Community of putting together the 1988 through 1991 Community Development Development Block Grant Program and at this time, they are Block Grant asking the participating cities to put together a list of projects to be submitted before the HCD staff for eligibility. It will then be brought back before Council for establishment of priorities and re-routed back to the board for final approval. Staff is asking Council for guidance and input in compiling that list that we need to submit to the board. Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen stated a piece of information was distributed to the City Council and staff prior to the opening of this meeting by Mrs. Broussard regarding day-care for the elderly, as well as the young. A care facility where the elderly could interact with the young. Mayor Matteson asked the Assistant City Manager how much money are we talking about in the Block Grant program? Assistant City Manager Anstine replied we are looking at a reduction over the next three years, indicating it is anticipated that we can expect to receive somewhere in the neighborhood of approximately $25,000.00 per year. It was the general consensus of Council that this was a worthwhile project to look into. Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 7 Continued Public Hearing Assistant City Manager Anstine listed the previous projects that this Council and previous Councils have approved for Community Development Block Grant funding. He listed some of the areas that staff would like Council to consider. Tony Petta Mr. Petta stated $25,000.00 per year is not sufficient to 11875 Eton Dr. take care of any large facility, indicating the seniors and day-care will need attention in the near future. He recommended designating a day-care Senior Citizen facility use and then determining where it should be located. Councilmember Evans stated instead of earmarking something this evening, he would like for the Assistant City Manager to elaborate in more detail in the form of a staff report and to provide Council with cost figures. He asked the Assistant City Manager in his opinion what it was that needed to be done and to prioritize those items and bring them back to Council. Assistant City Manager Anstine replied that what the County is looking is not a priority list from the cities right now, they want a wish list, to think of anything and everything and submit it to them so that they can review and declare it eligible or ineligible. He stated staff will get more specific at the time it is brought back to Council for prioritization with a budget attached to it, but at this point in time, it is strictly a wish list. Mayor Matteson asked the Assistant City Manager to add to your list all the things you heard tonight and then let Council review it. He asked when did the list have to turned in and did they have time to review it at the next Council meeting? Assistant City Manager Anstine replied he did not think so, but he would check on it. Councilmember Evans asked once the wish list is submitted, how long will it take for the reply? Assistant City Manager Anstine replied they are looking at around a 45 day turn -around period, this program does not start until July 1, 1988. Councilmember Evans stated, but we would know before the new budget year as to whether or not any of these projects would be meeting the criteria. The response was "yes." Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 8 Continued Public Hearing Councilmember Evans suggested that 30 days from the date of receipt of what is going to be authorized, you have a staff report and hopefully it can be done in conjunction with the budget. Mayor Matteson stated to meet this deadline, go ahead and prepare the list, submit a copy to each Councilmember and then if they don't approve it, they can call a special meeting and it will be discussed beforehand, indicating otherwise proceed. Recessed at 7:00 p.m. Reconvened at 7:15 p.m. UNFINISHED BUSINESS Item 7(A) City Manager Schwab stated at the meeting of December 17, Snack Bar 1987, Council directed staff to look into the background Recommendations of the snack bar and make a recommendation to Council on how to proceed. He gave a description of what presently exists and what staff's recommendation is. He pointed out that the Soccer Club is willing to use their own volunteer labor and materials to finish the interior of the structure and to operate it. He stated the second alternative is that if the Soccer Club is either not interested in it or we could not negotiate a lease, staff has received a letter from the School District indicating that they have a general interest in the structure if the City was not interested in operating it as a snack bar. He stated in the staff report it is shown that the total expenditures to date has been $10,058.00 and what staff is asking for is an appropriation of $5,750.00, pointing out that $4,750.00 of that has already been committed or spent. Mayor Matteson asked if the $5,750.00 was part of the $10,058.00? City Manager Schwab replied, "that's true," the total cost when we are finished will be $11,708.00 and that is for the exterior. Barbara Conley Ms. Conley, Chairman of the Parks and Recreation 22857 Dove Street Committee, stated the Parks and Recreation Committee has already given Council their recommendation on how to complete the snack bar. She stated the parks and Recreation Committee, as a committee, is not aware of staff's recommendation or evaluation. Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 9 Continued Unfinished Business CC-88-21 Motion by Mayor Matteson, second by Councilmember Shirley, to follow staff's recommendation and appropriate $5,750.00 and also offer this building for lease to the Soccer Club. Mayor Matteson felt this was a good situation, indicating the Little League in Colton has been very successful and made most of the funds from handling the snack bar, and just like we allow the Lion's Club to control the Senior Citizens building, he felt it is a good idea. Councilmember Grant stated he believes the Soccer Club's intent is that this will be used as a fortified storage area which will be utilized by other clubs and organizations. Mayor Matteson asked the City Manager to verify this and asked if this going to be used as a storage or a snack bar? City Manager Schwab stated it was his understanding that they were going to use it as a combination of storage and snack bar. Councilmember Evans felt it should be offered to all of the organizations, indicating if this becomes a viable building that is utilized and the Soccer Club is the only organization who had the opportunity to get first crack, there might be some ill will. Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen stated she wanted it to be a snack bar and not a storage facility, indicating she has reservations about any youth organization within the Terrace taking this facility over and managing it. She felt it puts organizations against each other for use, which creates friction. Councilmember Grant concurred with Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen and asked if we had any idea what the remaining cost would be to convert this into a viable snack bar over and beyond what the Lion's Club hopefully would contribute. City Manager Schwab replied in round figures he believes it is about $3,750.00 more, and if the Lion's Club contributes $2,500.00, we are looking at $1,250.00 to the City. Mayor Matteson stated he would like to amend his motion to appropriate the $5,700.00 to complete it, and that we offer it to a service club to operate and manage and that they complete the inside and operate it as a snack bar. 1� Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 10 Continued Unfinished Business Councilmember Shirley withdrew her second. Mayor Matteson stated Motion CC-88-21 died, due to lack of second. CC-88-22 Motion by Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen, second by Councilmember Shirley, to appropriate $9,500.00 for the completion of the snack bar as a structure, which includes the cabinet work and that when it is completed, that we take the $2,500.00 that the Lion's Club has pledged to the facility and outfit it on the inside. Councilmember Grant asked if it was consensus to let someone from the floor speak after a motion is on the floor, is that correct. He stated he would like to get Mr. Petta's feelings since he represents the Lion's Club. Tony Petta Mr. Petta expressed his thoughts on the subject of the 11875 Eton Drive snack bar, indicating it was through input from Assistant City Manager Anstine that Council arrived at the conclusion that it was no longer viable to continue with that building. He stated that the Soccer Club was really coming to the rescue by their offer, indicating he felt Council should get Assistant City Manager Anstine's input before going any further on this. tj Assistant City Manager Anstine stated he and the City Manager sat down and discussed this at great length, stating he conveyed to City Manager Schwab what the proposal was by the Soccer Club and the reaction of the School District and they jointly formulated this recommendation to the Council. Mayor Matteson stated he concurred with staff's recommendation. Assistant City Manager Anstine stated if that is the way Council would vote, staff will need further clarification as to whether or not these dollars are earmarked for completion of the ongoing volunteer labor force or do we actually terminate that and bring in a licensed contractor under contract to complete the job. He stated if that is the case, it is going to cost much more than what's being asked for. Mr. Petta stated the Lion's Club was allocating funds for a snack bar, whereby all of the youth organizations will be able to utilize it. Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 11 Continued Unfinished Business Councilmember Grant stated the whole idea behind this is to make this into what it should have been in the first place, a snack bar. 0 Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen concurred with Councilmember Grant. Councilmember Evans asked, if the City continues to outfit this snack bar, what legal procedures will we have to follow; are we going to have to go out for bid and will that create any problems. He questioned, if we were to give it to the Soccer Club, what kind of problems over and above the potential cost would they encounter. City Attorney Hopkins replied referencing the latter question of what they would encounter, their biggest problem he assumed would be providing the insurance, indicating if we lease it, we will want some insurance from them. He stated it's a money making facility, but they are going to have to complete it with volunteer help. He stated if the City completes it under the proposal as before, he understands that's volunteer help and obviously we are not putting that out to bid, but if a contractor is brought in, that's going to require a public bid. Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen felt if the City supplied the materials, we could get volunteers to do the refined labor that has to be done, such as the plumbing, electrical wiring and so forth. Councilmember Grant concurred with Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen. Motion CC-88-22 carried with Mayor Matteson voting NOE, to appropriate $9,500.00 to complete the exterior and interior with the exception of appliances. Item 7(B) City Manager Schwab reported that at the last meeting, SA-87-14, A Mr. Keeney had brought up his proposed site plan, and request to Council had indicated some concerns over Caltrans' construct a objection to the driveway locations. He stated Mr. Keeney RV Park and has been in contact with Caltrans and at this point had Commercial not received a definite retraction or something that would Center give Council some comfort level. He stated what Mr. Keeney would like to do is address Council on the issue, explaining that the Planning Commission has approved the plan with the stipulation of No. 38, that there would be one driveway only. He felt Mr. Keeney's proposal tonight would be to ask for a two -driveway approach as was indicated in the past. Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 12 Continued Unfinished Business Bob Keeney Mr. Keeney reported that he is presently going through 12139 Mt. Vernon Assemblyman Bill Leonard trying to get Caltrans to either retract the letter or at least write another letter saying that it is completely out of their jurisdiction and that they have nothing to do with it. He stated they would like to progress with the project and would like a vote from Council saying that if we can satisfy the legal department of the City, that they approve the project as submitted. Mayor Matteson felt it should be resolved with Caltrans first and then brought back to the City Council. Mr. Keeney stated he asked for Council's approval on this pending the satisfaction of the City Attorney because it is a legal problem. He did not feel anybody was arguing the designs that their engineer came up with at the request of the City Council; he felt it is better than anything that Caltrans has proposed. Mayor Matteson replied there is a design problem according to Caltrans, indicating that is the problem, the letter they sent said there is a design problem. Mr. Keeney stated if we can get Caltrans to withdraw that statement, then the City apparently doesn't have any problems with the way it is designed now. Councilmember Shirley asked the City Attorney if Caltrans were either to say that they have no jurisdiction in that area or retract their letter would that satisfy our problem here. City Attorney Hopkins replied probably so. CC-88-23 Motion by Councilmember Shirley, to okay Mr. Keeney's project SA-87-14 with the stipulation that he get us off the hook with Caltrans. Motion CC-88-23 died for lack of second. Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen stated that Mr. Keeney has supplied a lane where people could turn into his facility and questioned if he was aware of potential future plans to widen Barton Road and the bridge on the other side of the freeway. Mr. Keeney replied they are widening the street to its ultimate width right now. He stated the lanes will be considerably wider than Barton Road and will have a 100-foot right-of-way with a 72-foot curb to curb. Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 13 Continued Unfinished Business Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen asked the City Engineer if that would match Barton Road on both sides and the bridge expansion were that to happen, would that then be consistent with that project? City Engineer Kicak replied Barton Road easterly of I-215 element is 72 feet curb to curb which is the same as it is now required of Mr. Keeney, indicating 36 feet from centerline to curb line. He stated as far as the traffic across the bridge is concerned, he wasn't sure if that was ever any major concern to Caltrans, indicating that is something Mr. Keeney will have to address with Caltrans. Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen stated she believed it was Council's direction before that if Mr. Keeney got clearance from Caltrans, Council did not have a problem with his project. It was the general consensus of Council that Mr. Keeney should get a letter from Caltrans agreeing to his design. Mayor Matteson told Mr. Keeney if he could get a letter on Monday, Council could call a special meeting to give him approval on it. Mr. Keeney concurred. NEW BUSINESS Councilmember Shirley abstained from any discussion on this issue due to any potential conflict of interest. Item 8(A) Planning Director Sawyer stated as a result of Council's A request for direction at the last meeting, Planning Staff has met with an exemption Mr. Gene McMeans of the Riverside/Highland Water Company for the current and Mr. Barney Karger, owner of the property and discussed residential the preliminary tentative map. He stated the Planning development Department does not recommend exempting this applicant moratorium from the current moratorium, indicating such a allowing the recommendation would imply that the Planning staff feels submittal of a it is appropriate to establish minimum lot sizes prior to tentative tract the overall hearings for this area, and staff does not. map (Mr. Barney He stated considering the size of this property, any such Karger/Riverside decision would be very influential on the future Highland Water recommendations, hearings and decisions for this area. However, if the City Council feels it is necessary to exempt this application because of the water company's involvement and their declared need, the Planning Department would request that because of the States Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 14 Continued Unfinished Business Permanent Streamlining Act and vacation schedules in the month of February in the Planning Department, that the application not be accepted until after March 2, 1988. Mayor Matteson asked what the lot size's are in the general area surrounding that property? Planning Director Sawyer pointed it out on the map. He stated this area here (making indication on map) is the property which is in Tentative Tract Map 13205 owned by T.J. Austyn and they are 7,200 sq. ft. lots, which of course goes up the hillside in the A-1 acreage, which is 40,000 minimum square foot lots. Mayor Matteson asked if the one that the City Council denied was the one just mentioned, T.J. Austyn? Planning Director Sawyer replied, "no." Mayor Matteson asked that piece that is sticking in right there (indicating on the map), what size lots are those? Planning Director Sawyer replied, no size right now, it's zoned for 7,200 sq. ft. Mayor Matteson stated, he wouldn't be opposed to letting him submit a tract map, but he would be opposed to the size of the lots they have on that parcel. Councilmember Grant concurred with Mayor Matteson. Eugene McMeans Mr. McMeans stated the question before Council today is 1405 Washington two -fold; whether you will forward the exemption for the Colton moratorium, and the other, the time frame for construction Manager of of the water tank; 7 1/2 to 8 months. He continued to Riverside/ give the pros and cons for his request, ending by asking Highland Water if it could be moved forward as fast as possible. He continued with addressing the lot sizes. Councilmember Evans asked the Planning Director if the topography on the north side of the roadway is very similar to that of the Steven Fox Subdivision? The Planning Director replied, it is similar. Councilmember Evans asked how similar? Planning Director Sawyer replied, for that overall lot, it's not as steep, but it is very similar. Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 15 Continued New Business Councilmember Evans addressed the Planning Director in reference to a report dated September 21, 1987, where he made a statement, that it's anticipated that during the upcoming General Plan and Zoning Ordinance Revision, this property (referencing the Fox property) will be recommended for a zone change to A-1 (R-1 40) for the R-1 20 residential designation to better blend with the surrounding zoning and land use. Councilmember Evans asked him what was he going to recommend, indicating it was fair to assume that he had some ideas? Planning Director Sawyer stated ideas is one thing, but sitting down and formulating a recommendation this early before we do that is another thing. He stated in reference to the Fox property he was going to be considering 20,000 ft. recommendations, as well as considering whether R-1 40 would be appropriate or perhaps a new zone for that area which would be around 14,000 or 15,000 sq. ft. recommendations. Councilmember Evans stated so in other words we can flip a coin right now and decide what you want to go with. City Attorney Hopkins stated Council can't make that decision this evening, it will have to be an advertised public hearing. He stated the only thing that is before Council is to exempt this from that moratorium so that they can proceed. He felt before they could proceed they need some guidelines from someone that there's going to be a good chance of success, indicating Council can't make that decision because there are certain factors that cannot be considered except at public hearings. Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen stated that it was her understanding that what Mr. McMeans wants is a general consensus that a certain size of lot would be acceptable so they can engineer for the water tank site. City Attorney Hopkins stated he can lay it out, but you don't have to approve, at least Mr. McMeans should have gotten the feeling that you are not going to get anything very small in size. Mr. McMeans stated what they are trying to get is a guideline. Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen stated as a guideline, she would like to see nothing developed up there less than 129000 to 15,000 sq. ft. Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 16 Continued New Business Councilmember Grant asked if Council were to approve the exemption of the application tonight, are we then required to institute a public hearing on the acreage? City Attorney Hopkins replied, "yes sir," both you and the Planning Commission. Councilmember Grant stated that before we imply a particular size, he felt we need to have a public hearing and supported this issue and did not know why Council could not go ahead and make a motion tonight. City Attorney replied as a caution that if Council does, in fact, exempt them from the moratorium for the purpose of the tentative map, that is no assurance that the tentative map that they submit at this or any other hearing will be approved. CC-88-24 Motion by Mayor Pro Tem Pfennighausen, second by Councilmember Evans, that in the area under discussion be exempted from the moratorium in order to facilitate the installation of the water tank and that no lot in the subdivision be less than 13,000 sq. ft. City Manager Schwab stated the only reason staff indicated having a preference for minimum size lot is because if they did bring it to a 7,200 sq. ft. lot, the Planning Commission and the City Council may have turned it down. He stated under the current zoning and current General Plan, Council couldn't turn it down just based on lot size, because the lot size would be allowable under the current condition, so therefore, you would have to find some other reason to turn it down. Councilmember Grant stated for the record that the arbitrary figure of 13,000 is simply to get the motion approved, indicating he was not going to support that kind of figure. Motion CC-88-24 carried with Councilmember Shirley abstaining. Item 8(B) City Manager Schwab stated a motion made by Councilmember Feasibility Grant, directed staff to conduct a feasibility study to study regarding determine the potential of; year-round schools; schools feasibility of a high school in Grand Terrace; and Grand Terrace School District. Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 17 Continued New Business City Manger Schwab indicated that this information came from City staff, as well as staff from Colton Joint Unified School District. He discussed the outcome of the research done. He stated on the issue of year-round schooling, currently the Colton Joint Unified School District is not looking at year-round schools for the next fiscal year for the district, in order for them to do that, they would have to hold a public hearing one year before the implementation of the year-round schools, they have not done that for next year and so that implies that for next year, there will be no year-round school. He stated at this point when you talk about a high school, the school district is not looking to build an additional elementary school in the area nor are they looking at the potential of building a high school here anytime in the near future. He stated if the City did desire to have an independent high school in Grand Terrace, the only feasible method would be for the City to petition and be able to pull out of the Joint Unified School District. He stated the cost of providing a school in Grand Terrace would will require about 30 acres and we will probably have a tough time coming up with that, as well as out of pocket cost of about sixteen and a quarter dollars. He summarized that it appears there is no immediate plans for year-round schools in Colton, no plans in the near future to accommodate high school students within the geographical boundaries of Grand Terrace or the likelihood of the City forming it's own school district and financing the expansion. Councilmember Grant agreed it was a very detailed report, indicating it should be common knowledge to members of this Council that majority of the people in this town would probably like to see the kind of things that he had recommended here. He stated he was delighted at the observation regarding the year-round school because he was opposed to that. Councilmember Grant stated he was disappointed over the other two issues, the idea of a high school and a school district. He agreed with improving our relationship with the school district through our board members, particular those who represent Grand Terrace and expressed his appreciation to staff for the research done. Item 8(C) City Attorney Hopkins reported this is an ORDINANCE OF THE Loitering CITY COUNCIL OF GRAND TERRACE, CA ADDING CHAPTER 9.12 Ordinance LOITERING TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE. Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 18 r- t Continued New Business City Manager Schwab stated the potential Ordinance has arisen from a situation that exists on Barton Road going into the Stater Bros. Shopping Center, where individuals are soliciting work. Staff is asking to adopt the 1st reading and set a public hearing for the meeting of February 25, 1988. CC-88-25 Motion by Mayor Matteson to adopt the 1st reading and conduct a public hearing to be set for the meeting of February 25, 1988. Councilmember Evans stated our problem is how can you rectify the problem that you have, indicating he doesn't want to pass an ordinance that has absolutely no teeth to it. He stated the courts have defined loitering as lying in wait and waiting to commit a crime. He stated the only thing these people are doing is waiting for work, indicating they are not out there with the intent of wanting to commit a crime, they are looking for some revenue so they can pay their bills, instead of standing in the welfare lines. He stated that he had suggested to the City Manager whether or not the term loitering could not be changed possibly to trespassing and could that govern the actions that we are trying to prohibit. Councilmember Evans questioned the City Attorney regarding sections in the proposed Ordinance versus similar sections in the Penal Code, indicating we have sections already in the books that would serve our needs, is it just a matter of enforcing those? City Attorney stated one of the advantages to the City adopting an ordinance is that they can be cited by the City as an infraction rather than a violation of the Penal Code and a misdemeanor charge. Motion CC-88-25 carried 4 AYES with Councilmember Grant being absent on the vote. Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 19 Adjourned City Council meeting at 8:55 p.m. until the next regular City Council meeting which will be held Thursday, February 25, 1988 at 5:30 p.m. Respectfully submitted: D! ty City Clerk APPROVED: Council Minutes - 02/11/88 Page 20