11/04/1982CITY OF GRAND TERRACE
COUNCIL MINUTES
ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING - NOVEMBER 4, 1982
An adjourned regular meeting of the City Council of the City of Grand Terrace was
called to order at the Terrace View Elementary School, 22731 Grand Terrace Road,
Grand Terrace, California, on November 4, 1982, at 7:44 p.m.
PRESENT: Hugh J. Grant, Mayor
Jim Rigley, Mayor Pro Tempore
Tony Petta, Councilman
Roy W. Nix, Councilman
Barbara Pfennighausen, Councilwoman
Seth Armstead, City Manager
Ivan Hopkins, City Attorney
Tim Serlet, Engineering Staff
Ilene Dughman, Deputy City Clerk
ABSENT: Joe Kicak, City Engineer
Myrna Erway, City Clerk
The meeting was opened with invocation by Elder Bill Brown, The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter -Day Saints, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance, led by Ed
Clark.
ITEMS ADDED TO AGENDA
2E - Transfer Capital Expenditures on Terrace Hills Community
Park to CRA.
5 - Joint meeting with CRA for architectural input for Civic
Center.
CONSENT CALENDAR
The following item was removed from the Consent Calendar:
2D - Financial Management Seminar, Monterey, December 1-3, 1982.
CC-82-287 Motion by Councilman Rigley, Second by Councilman Petta, ALL AYES,
to approve the following items on the Consent Calendar:
A. Check Register No. 110482;
B. Final Parcel Map 6856, located S/o Barton Road, E/o Grand
Terrace Road, and W/o I-215;
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C. Amended Contract with East Valley Medical Clinic for a two-year
period for pre -employment physicals, and authorize execution by
the Mayor;
E. Transfer Terrace Hills Community Park Capital Expenditures of
$263,338.19 from City to CRA.
FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT SEMINAR - DECEMBER 1-3, 1982
Following discussion including recommendation that a Council Member
also attend and the estimated hotel cost per person reflect two
CC-82-288 nights instead of three, Motion by Councilman Petta, Second by
Councilman Rigley, ALL AYES, to approve Councilman Rigley and
Finance/Administrative Services Officer Ed Clark attending the
Financial Management Seminar in Monterey, December 1-3, 1982, at an
estimated cost of $496 per person.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
John Lotspeich, 22680 Tanager St., recommended the City present a
plaque to the County to be placed amongst those from other cities in
the Board of Supervisors' lobby.
Council directed that an appropriate City plaque be presented to the
County.
Steve Kiaz, 11809 Holly St., commended Council; however, stated it
should take a closer look at issues; feels there seems to be
misunderstandings, misleading news articles printed, and Council
debates back and forth on issues when before public; feels it is
always a case of semantics, extending length of meetings.
Recommended the City watch its revenue and manage accordingly.
Feels people want community to remain small. Reminded Council of
statements made before taking office and to consider what is good
for the community; feels it needs to look at priorities.
Dick Rollins, 22700 DeBerry, stated he feels the Financial
Management Seminar in Monterey will provide Council some very
valuable information.
Councilman Petta commended Mr. Rollins for being chosen by the
Chamber of Commerce as the "Citizen of the Year."
COMMISSION & COMMITTEE REPORTS
PLANNING COMMISSION
Following Councilwoman Pfennighausen's advising that Lillian Smith
CC-82-289 has resigned from the Planning Commission, Motion by Councilwoman
Pfennighausen, Second by Mayor Grant, that a letter of commendation
of service be sent to Lillian Smith for her term of service on the
Planning Commission.
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Following Council's expression of appreciation for the kind of
service Mrs. Smith has given, the Motion carried, ALL AYES.
Planning Commissioner Munson questioned how the City advertises for
Planning Commissioners and how citizens could apply.
PARKS & RECREATION COMMITTEE
Dick Rollins, Chairman, reported the Committee unanimously agreed it
would like to have the Third Annual Christmas Tree Lighting Ceremony
and Party on the evening of December 11 at the Terrace Hills
Community Park and requested Council consideration and approval.
Recess was called at 8:11 p.m. The meeting reconvened at 8:21 p.m.,
with a1 members present.
JOINT MEETING - CITY COUNCIL/CRA
CIVIC CENTER - ARCHITECTURAL INPUT
The City Manager noted it had been decided at the prior meeting to
determine the square footage prior to negotiating for an agreement
for architectural services with Barmakian, Wolff, Lang, Christopher
Architects. Councilman Nix has been in attendance in meetings with
Staff regarding this matter resulting in reducing the initial square
footage from 26,000 to 21,000 and fees accordingly. Stated
Councilman Rigley requested more input, since he was absent during
previous discussions.
Mayor Grant stated he had hoped the Planning Commission would be
present, was pleased at least a few members were present, and
invited their input.
Councilman Rigley stated he feels a 14,000 square -foot civic center
would adequately handle all needs of the City and could be designed
to be expanded, if necessary. Does not want City to go far in debt
to build as large a facility as presented. Opposed separate Council
offices, a library at this time, an 800 square -foot office for the
City Manager, an office for a City Attorney, 2200 square feet for
the City Engineer offices, and recommended reducing size of other
offices.
Councilman Nix stated he agrees the City should not go into debt for
the civic center; however, pointed out that none of the funds
proposed to finance a civic center can be used for general funds.
There is a need to establish priorities and establish debt for tax
increment funds to prevent those funds from being lost to the City,
and in light of the source of funds and community needs, on priority
basis, supports getting started with a library. Feels a need to
allow for modest expansion or growth, rather than building a
facility that would have no growth possibility. Concurs with not
having separate Council offices; how they are labeled is one thing,
but the space could be used in the future for other uses. Noted the
decision to proceed with the civic center was reached after
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consideration of temporary meeting facilities proved to be
impractical. Referenced public input which indicated the Council
Chambers should be big enough for community meetings. Stated he
feels engineering firms would bid to provide service in our one -stop
counter service concept. Doesn't feel square footage should be
changed.
Councilman Petta stated he is in concurrence with Councilman Nix
regarding the use of the CRA tax increment funds, noting it has been
scheduled to show it will take care of the construction cost. As
far as size, would like input from the architect.
Councilman Rigley stated he agrees with using the CRA Tax increment
funds; however, questioned the guarantee of receiving sufficient
amount of tax increment funds. Questioned whether the Civic Center
is on the approved list of projects.
The City Manager stated the Civic Center qualifies under the Revised
Project. The Finance/Administrative Services Officer referenced a
study previously submitted and outlined projected revenue.
Planning Commissioner DeBenedet stated that in his opinion the
Council should be careful about cutting too much.
Councilwoman Pfennighausen stated she wants a Civic Center to be
proud of that can service us today and five years from now. Does
not feel we can build something today that can service us 20 years
from now without knowing exactly where we are going. Does not agree
with the space for Council; questioned whether anyone would be
willing to relinquish an office for some future need should the
occasion arise. Requested justification for use of spaces.
Steve Kiaz, 11809 Holly St., stated he feels 2200 square feet is too
much space for engineering - recommended more planning prior to
determining size.
Larry Wolff, Barmakian, Wolff, Lang, Christopher Architects, stated
he feels now is a very strategic time to bid the civic center. In
his opinion it would be more cost effective if future space
allowance was built today with the condition it would be used within
approximately five years - for more than that time, feels it wiser
to wait because of operational cost for the added space. In terms
of adding a story for future growth, the one-story structure must be
designed to support that addition. The easiest wady to grow is to
adjoin something - and space on that site is limited. The space
allowed for the City Engineer's office is probably more than what
would be required if the City hired its own engineering staff;
however, that space is planned to also accommodate, if needed, a
building department, which is a function usually as large as
engineering in a city. The size of the City Manager's office is for
conference space separate from a common conference room and also to
accommodate his library.
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Mayor Grant stated he feels the committee has done a good job
reducing the footage, short of eliminating things he feels should
not have been eliminated; feels there is need for some Council
office space; the community deserves a library and an assembly area
that is adequate. Feels City should proceed with the civic center.
Following discussion, Council concurred that another meeting should
be held with Staff, the architect, and Councilmen Nix and Rigley,
with information to be returned to the Agency for consideration at
the November 18 meeting.
The CRA adjounred at 8:47 p.m.; Council continued its meeting.
CITY MANAGER REPORT
City Manager Armstead reported on information received relating to
the amendment to redevelopment tax increment law, and more
information will be forthcoming. The League of California Cities
requested all cities send a representative to Sacramento to the
Senate Local Government Committee hearing to testify.
Councilman Nix questioned whether this matter is of concern to the
City. Ed Clark noted that previous trips to Sacramento have proven
beneficial to the City.
CITY COUNCIL REPORT
Councilman Petta questioned whether right-of-way access had been
given for t e neighborhood box units for Pacesetter Homes, feeling
that something may have been started the City doesn't really want.
Stated he was under the impression the developer requested this; has
since learned he was pressured. Felt what is being done is to
eventually convert all the residents, and once the trend begins, it
will be difficult to reverse. With concurrence of Council,
requested the City Manager proceed with necessary correspondence to
the Post Master General regarding Council's position on this matter.
Councilman Rigley questioned street light survey results. The City
Tanager advised it will be presented at the November 18 meeting.
Mayor Grant reported he attended County/Cities Meeting in Arrowhead
that ate with the City Manager, which dealt with administrative
overhead imposed by County.
Bill DeBenedet, 22799 Barton Road, questioned wheter a stop sign
survey of the City has been accomplished to ensure placement in all
risk areas. Recommended placing "No Parking" signs at the fire
station rather than painting the curbs.
Councilman Nix reported on a Council Reading Box item dealing with
joint use of public facilities, namely the school buildings and
charges to governmental agencies and non-profit organizations.
Recommended attention be given to that article since it could be
supported by law.
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ADJOURN
CC-82-290 Motion by Councilman Rigley, Second by Councilman Petta, ALL AYES,
to adjourn the meeting at 10:12 p.m. to an adjourned regular meeting
to be held November 18, 1982, at 5:30 p.m. The regular meeting of
November 11, 1982, is cancelled.
Respectfully submitted,
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APPROVED:
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