01/20/2005 Community and Economic Development Department
GRAND TERRACE PLANNING COMMISSION
' MINTUES OF REGULAR MEETING
CALIFORNIA
January 20, 2005
The reqular meetinq of the Grand Terrace Planninq Commission was called to order
at the Grand Terrace Civic Center, 22795 Barton Road, Grand Terrace, California, on
January 20, 2005, at 7:02 p.m., by Chairperson Douq Wilson.
PRESENT: Doug Wilson, Chairperson
Matthew Addington, Vice Chairperson
Brian Whitley, Commissioner
Robert Bidney, Commissioner
Tom Comstock, Commissioner
John Lampe, Associate Planner
Jeff Gollihar, Planning Technician
Michelle Boustedt, Planning Secretary
ABSENT: Gary Koontz, Community Development Director
7:02 P.M. CONVENE SITE AND ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD/
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• Pledge of Allegiance led by Vice Chair Addington
• Roll Call
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION: NONE
ITEMS:
1. Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of November 18,
2004
MOTION PC-01-2005: Vice Chair Addington made a motion to approve the minutes of
November 18, 2004
Commissioner Comstock Seconded the motion
MOTION VOTE
PC-01-2005: Approved 3-0-1-1
Commissioner Bidney Absent
Commissioner Whitley Abstained
2. TPM-04-03/E-04-07 Continuation of TPM-04-03/E-04-07 Applications for a Tentative
Parcel Map and Environmental Review to subdivide Assessor's
Parcel Number 276-421-06 into three (3) parcels. The site is
Zoned R1-20 (Single Family Residential Minimum 20.000
sauare feet) with an (AG) Aaricultural Overlay.
22795 Barton Road • Grand Terrace, Califdrnia 92313-5295 9 909/ 824=Q621'_<- .._
APPLICANT: A & A Surveying & Mapping
—* LOCATION: 22959 Grand Terrace Road, APN: 276-421-06, a 2.65 acre lot
i at the southwest corner of the intersection of Grand Terrace
Road and Vista Grande Road in Grand Terrace.
RECOMMENDATION: Open the Public Hearing, receive testimony, close the Public
Hearing, and approve TPM-04-03/E-04-07 with Conditions.
Planning Technician Gollihar greeted the Commission and presented his Staff 'Report. At
the meeting dated November 18, 2004, the Staff had presented the proposed parcel map.
It was the Commission's decision to continue the item due to concerns of what was
proposed. It was the Commission's request to resubmit the proposed parcel map showing
three parcels rather than four that were originally presented. Physical access had to be
illustrated for future appearances for grading of the property. Post construction best
management practices for the project also had to be submitted.
The required items were discussed with the Applicant where it was agreed to present the
item with the requirements from the Commission. It was also explained to the Applicant
that with regard to the street improvements it will not be required of the Applicant until the
time of Final Map has been recorded.
Planning Technician Gollihar.concluded that the revised application for TPM-04-03 and E--
04-07 is in compliance with the Municipal Code and meets all the findings in the Zoning
Code regarding the proposed tract map.
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- Chair Wilson opened the Public Hearing and asked the Applicant to speak.
Cynthia Neebreth - Daughter of Applicant
Ms. Neebreth greeted the Commission and expressed the concern of the requirements of
the street improvements. At this point, she feels that this could be done at a later time
rather than when the tract map is recorded.
Chair Wilson replied that it can be bonded for improvement or a letter from the Applicant's
Engineer for the cost. Once the map is recorded, the construction of street improvements
can then commence.
Ms. Neebreth replied that if one never builds on the property, will they still be required to
make the street improvements.
Planning Technician Gollihar replied that it was explained to the Applicant that at any time a
subdivision of a parcel map is done, the street improvements are required and can be
handled by a bond.
Corazon Cacho - Property Owner
'- Mrs. Cacho expressed her concern with regard to the street improvements. She feels that
it is overwhelming. She also has a concern with. the dedication of 10 feet for road
improvements.
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Chair Wilson replied that the 10 feet dedication is a separate subject from the Bond issue.
It is a subdivision code that requires that when one were to subdivide a property, one would
put up a bond for improvements or a Certificate of Deposit-to guarantee the work, or the
work can be put in and then keep the property. A condition of the recordation of a map is to
guarantee that the improvements will be put in by the property owner.
Associate Planner Lampe replied that the conditions that have been set forth is coming
from the City's Public Works Department, in which they have made a requirement for the
applicant to install such street improvements.
Because this matter is going forth to the City Council, it may be beneficial to have further
conversations with the Applicant and for the City Council to decide what they would like to
do with this matter.
Barney Karger
11668 Bernardo Way
Mr. Karger has no objection to the subdivision of the parcel but was wondering the street
will be widened further down by the elementary school. At this time, there is no room for
cars to park on both sides of the street and for through traffic.
Chair Wilson closed the Public Hearing.
Vice Chair Addington remarked that he was happy with the proposed application, and feels
that all of the concerns were addressed.
--' MOTION PC-02-2005: Vice Chair Addington made a Motion to Approve TPM-04-03
and E-04-07.
Chair Wilson seconded the motion.
Commissioner Bidney wanted clarification with regard to the improvement bonds. Are the
bonds from a year to year basis.
Chair Wilson replied that the bonds are on an annual basis. If one is found in default, the
bonding company has a right to pursue the applicant, and can notify the City.
Commissioner Bidney asked should the bond company notify the City that the premium has
not been paid, what happens.
Chair Wilson replied that the map will be recorded but the bond holder will be in default and
legal action can follow.
Commissioner Whitley asked with regard to the preliminary grading as illustrated on the
map, when will there be a need for an easement to be recorded to reflect the drainage
issue? Shouldn't this be an issue that could incorporated with the Conditions of Approval
Associate Planner Lampe advised the Commission that what is being presented is a
_ preliminary grading plan. Before a building permit is issued, a final grading plan has to be
submitted. At that time any necessary easements on the property might be conditioned in
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the final grading plan. At this time, the preliminary grading plan is presented to discuss
how the property could theoretically be graded to reflect the proposed subdivision.
Planning Technician Gollihar added that Condition Numbers 17 and 18 point out such
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MOTION VOTE
PC-02-2005: Approved 5-0-0-0
3. SP-04-02, SA-04-02
SA-04-03, SA-04-04
SA-04-05, SA-04-06
TTM-04-01, E-04-01: Continuance of application for construction of a total of 16 lots,
15 to be developed with single family detached type units on
individual lots ranging in size from 4,460 square feet to 5,914
square feet. The 16th lot of 12,007 square feet to be developed
into a 4-plex type apartment building.
APPLICANT: Massaro & Welsh, Civil Engineers-Land Surveyors on behalf of
Barney Karger
LOCATION: Approximately 2 acre vacant area located generally on the north
side of De Berry Street between Gage Canal right-of-way on the
west and Mt. Vernon Avenue on the east.
RECOMMENDATION: Re-open the Public Hearing and receive the Staff Report and
any public testimony. The Staff is making no recommendation
for this proposal at this time; however, the Planning Commission
may wish to consider two possible actions consisting of:
1. Continue these items either with or without a "date
certain" until the Applicant has submitted the requested
additional information and Staff had enough time to
review it.
2. Continue these items, to a "date certain" for denial in
order to give Staff additional time to prepare the
necessary Resolution of Denial including supporting
findings of denial.
Associate Planner Lampe greeted the Commission and presented his Staff Report. The
subject site consists of a two acre linear piece of property on the north side of De Berry
Street between Mt. Vernon Avenue and the Gage Canal right-of-way on the west.
This is a Continued Public Hearing that was held in August of 2004, by the Planning
Commission. The original request was to construct 15 detached single family homes, with
a four unit apartment building on the east end of the property. Along with the request was a
tentative map to divide the property into sixteen lots, one which would consist of the
proposed apartment building.
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At the Public Hearing in August, Staff pointed out that the Applicant had not submitted
certain items that were not included in the March 4th of last year incomplete letter. A copy
of the letter has been attached to the Staff report. Because the required items were not
provided, it was Staffs decision that a full analysis of the project could not be performed
with the inclusion of the environmental studies as required by CEQA.
In addition, the Planning Commission was informed that the Applicant did not modify the
project or proposal after meeting with the Planning Staff or the City Manager.
At the conclusion of the August 19 meeting, there was a unanimous motion on the part of
the Planning Commission to take the matter off calendar until certain items have been
submitted to Staff.
It was the request of the Planning Commission that a Specific Plan document be submitted
along with all necessary information and studies so that the environmental documentation
for this project could be completed.
On November 15, 2004 a brief report was given to the Planning Commission from Staff with
regard to the project. At the time of that meeting, nothing had been submitted and no
contact .was made between the Applicant and the Planning Department. It was the
Commission's request that the matter be brought back before the Commission at the next
regularly scheduled meeting.
Following notification of tonight's meeting, a promise was made to the people who had
attended the original August meeting be re-noticed for the Public Hearing. That notice was
also sent to the Applicant from which the Planning Department had then received a
telephone call from Mr. Welsh indicated that his client, Mr. Karger had signed an
Addendum Agreement with Mr. Welsh's firm to address all of the issues that had come up
at the August 19th meeting.
Mr. Welsh had written a letter to the Planning Department indicating that he is making
every effort to prepare the additional required studies. Mr. Welsh has also requested that
the item be continued to the next regularly scheduled meeting of February 17, 2005, to
allow enough time to submit all of the items as requested by the Planning Commission.
At this time, the Staff is not making any recommendations including whether to continue the
matter with or without a date certain. Without a date certain, it would allow Staff sufficient
time to review prepare an analysis of the required documents. The second option is to
continue the matter to a date certain.
Associate Planner Lampe concluded his staff report.
Chair Wilson opened up the Public Hearing.
Paul Welsh - Engineer
1572 North Waterman Avenue #5
San Bernardino
Mr. Welsh reported that his firm is currently in the process of preparing all of the required
studies for the project. At this time the acoustical study has been completed, and the
landscape architect is currently working on a preliminary plan. Mr. Welsh reported that he
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would feel more comfortable if the meeting can be continued to March 17, 2005, rather than
February.
Associate Planner Lampe replied that none of the documents have been seen by the
Planning Staff as yet. When the required reports are completed and submitted, they will
have to be circulated to be reviewed by outside reviewing agencies.
Catherine Olson
22471 De Soto Street
Ms. Olson is still -in disagreement about the proposed apartment complex. Ms. Olson
brought photos of the current condition of the property that Mr. Karger currently owns.
Ms. Olson wanted to know who's responsibility it was to maintain the alley way. If the
homeowner's are being fined for not weeding the area, why is it that Mr. Karger is not being
fined for such violations.
Associate Planner Lampe replied that it is an issue for the Code Enforcement Department,
and will refer the concern of Ms. Olson to the Code Enforcement Department.
Barney Karger
11668 Bernardo Way
Mr. Karger reported that he had notified the City with regard to Ms. Olson's concrete block
wall is four inches into the easement of the alleyway. There is a forty foot easement that
was recorded around 25 years ago.
Chair Wilson closed the Public Hearing.
MOTION PC-03-05: Vice Chair Addington moved to continue the Public Hearing to a
date uncertain.
Chair Wilson seconded the motion.
MOTION VOTE
PC-03-2005: 5-0-0-0
4. TPM-04-06/E-04-11 Tentative Parcel Map No. 04-06 (County No. 16945 and
Environmental Case No. 04-11 to divide an existing parcel into
four (4) separate lots, ranging in size from 24,000 square feet to
47,000 square feet.
APPLICANT: William H. Addington on behalf of the owner, Nancy Franich
LOCATION: 23173 Vista Grande Way (irregularly shaped, 3.2 acre parcel
located on the northwesterly corner of the intersection of Grand
Terrace Road and Vista Grande Way).
RECOMMENDATION: Open the Public Hearing, receive the staff report, presentation
and public testimony, close the hearing and approval of the
Resolution calling for.the approval of TPM-04-06 by the City
Council supported by the required findings and subject to the
recommended conditions of approval.
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Associate Planner Lampe thanked the Commission and presented his staff report. The
aforementioned property is located on the northerly side of the intersection of Grand
Terrace Road and Vista Grande Way. To the immediate South of the property is the
previously presented parcel map.
There are a few undeveloped parcels within the immediate area. The Applicant is making
the proposal on behalf of the property owner that has requested to divide the parcel into
four parcels. Parcel 1 will consist of 30,000 square feet. Parcel 2 will also be 30,000
square feet, Parcel 3 will consist of 24,000 and lastly Parcel 4 will consist of 47,000 square
feet. The latter parcel has an existing vacant house in it.
The topography of the site consists of a low rise pad where the house is constructed. The
elevations drop off to the north and to the west. The westerly portion of the site is crossed
by a.1100 foot wide easement of the California Aqueduct.
The State Department of Water Resources was contacted with regard to the easement
area. One of their engineers informed staff that no permanent structures would be allowed
within the area. The easement area could be fenced off with chain link or wood. It is the
State's requirement that access be provided to the aqueduct should there ever be a need
for access. A permit to do any type of grading or improvements will need to be obtained by
the State prior to the beginning of any work in the area.
The site is located in the R1-20 which is low density single family residential which has a
20,000 square foot minimum parcel size. The site is also located in the LDR or Low
Density Residential of the City's General Plan. The request that is before the Commission
is consistent with the General Plan and the City's Zoning Code.
Three of the parcels will front Vista Grande Drive. There is a 10-foot dedication
requirement along Vista Grande to widen out the street. There will also be a 10-foot
dedication required for Grand Terrace Road. This recommendation comes from the
Building Department of the City.
The Applicant has not submitted any plans for construction of new homes on the parcel.
However, if and when the Applicant decide to construct homes on the parcel, a Site and
Architectural Review would be required before the Planning Commission for each home.
The Public Works Department is seeking improvements to the street frontages consisting of
curbs, gutters, sidewalks and street lights. The Applicant has no objection to providing the
street improvements, but feels that they should not be installed before the recordation of
the map, but when the entire street is improved.
The Applicant was asked to provide a preliminary grading plan showing pads for the three
vacant parcels consisting of drainage and manufactured slopes. At least one possible and
most likely scenario for grading the property has been presented. It has also been verified
that per the State Water Quality Control Board that this parcel would have to go through an
NPDES Review. The Applicant has responded to such a request to provide bio filters on
each of the four parcels to satisfy the NPDES requirements.
There is a proposed parcel line in the center of the aqueduct between Parcels 3 and 4.
There has been some conversation on what would happen should the Water Resources
Department required to work on the aqueduct, and should a fence become damaged, it
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would be the property owner's responsibility to mend the fence. It was also suggested that
the fencing be placed at the edge of the easement and not at the center of the easement.
The Environmental Review was performed in which this project does qualify for a Class 15
Category Exemption.
Associate Planner Lampe concluded that it is Staffs opinion that the proposed request is
reasonable and is both consistent with the City's General Plan and Zoning Code. The Staff
is recommending that the City Council adopt the Resolution of Approval with the addition of
the condition relative to any modification.or grading in the easement of the aqueduct.
Chair Wilson opened the Public Hearing
Bill Addington
12055 Westwood Lane
Mr. Addington greeted the Commission and reported that he is representing the property
owner who currently lives in Los Altos, California.
Mr. Addington is satisfied with the Staffs presentation and report, and is happy to answer
any questions that the Commission may have.
Vice Chair Addington wanted to state for the record that Mr. Addington and he are related
to each other.
Commissioner Whitley asked what type of fencing is located at present at the aqueduct.
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Chair Wilson wanted to know what the depth of the pipe was at the aqueduct.
Mr. Addington replied that there is six foot of cover. It is not the applicant's wish to build
anything on it in the future.
Commissioner Whitley asked whether the Municipal Code requires any fencing located
around the easement is required.
Mr. Addington replied that the existing vacant house is an older home and it's the
Applicant's wish to sell the home. Horse ranches are no longer desirable in Grand Terrace,
and feel that it would be beneficial for the lot to be split to build three more custom type of
homes.
Associate Planner Lampe added that when homes will be proposed to be built on the
parcel, a Site and Architectural Review will probably include the issue of the easement and
will be addressed then as well.
Vice Chair Addington asked the Commissioners that between Parcels 3 and 4 with regard
to fence installation. Did any of the Commissioners have a concern with the fence being
built in the middle of the easement rather than the edge of the easement?
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Chair Wilson feels that the Site and Architectural process will allow the Commission to
review the issue of whether the fencing should be put in the middle or on the edge of
easement.
Commissioner Comstock added that each of these lots can have conditions placed upon
each applicant should' the aqueduct fence needed to be demolished and reinstalled at the
cost of the property owner.
Vice Chair Addington asked with regard to Parcels three and four and future fence lines.
Would the Applicant have any objections to shifting the common lot line to the east right-of-
way of the aqueduct?
Mr. Addington replied that if that were to be done, the burden of maintenance of Parcel
three would become large. Although the aqueduct is at the center line of the easement, the
pipe is actually located to the west of the line. There would be no interference with the pipe
and the property line. Mr. Addington feels comfortable with the Associate Planner's
Condition with regard to obtaining a permit from the Department of Water Resources.
Darryl Carlson
23142 Vista Grande Way
Mr. Carlson wanted to know what size of a residence would be allowed to be built on the
parcel. He feels that if too big of a home is built, he will not be able to maintain the views
he currently has.
Associate Planner Lampe replied that when a home' is proposed to be built, a Public
Hearing will be made and all of the surrounding neighbors will be noticed and encouraged
to attend.
Mr. Addington asked staff to put up a photograph onto the projection- unit and wanted to
make additional comments.
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MOTION:
PC-04-2005: Commissioner Comstock made a motion to approve TPM-04-06
and E-04-11 with the Conditions
MOTION VOTE
PC-04-2005 Approved 5-0-0-0
ADJOURN SITE AND ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD/PLANNING COMMISSION,
MEETING 8:40 Pm
CONVENE PUBLIC WORKSHOP SESSION,
• Information to Commissioners
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• Information from Commissioners
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ADJOURN PUBLIC WORKSHOP SESSION 8:40 PM
NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 17. 2006
Respectfully Submitted, Approved y,
Gary Kdontz, Planing Director Doug Wilson, Chairman
Planning Commission
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