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06/16/2005 111 Community and Economic Development Department CALIFORNIA GRAND TERRACE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING June 16, 2005 The reqular meetinq of the Grand Terrace Planninq Commission was called to order at the Grand Terrace Civic Center, 22795 Barton Road, Grand Terrace, California, on June 16. 2005. at 7:05 p.m., by Vice Chairperson Matthew Addinqton. PRESENT: Matthew Addington, Vice Chairperson Robert Bidney, Commissioner Tom Comstock, Commissioner Gary Koontz, Community Development Director John Lampe, Associate Planner Jeff Gollihar, Planning Technician Jo Verhelle, City Manager's Secretary ABSENT: Doug Wilson, Chairperson Brian Whitley, Commissioner Michelle Boustedt, Planning Secretary 7:05 P.M. CONVENE SITE AND ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD/ PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING • Pledge of Allegiance led by Commissioner Comstock • Roll Call PUBLIC PARTICIPATION: NONE .ITEM I 22795 Barton Road • Grand Terrace, Califarnia 92313-5295 • 909/ 824-6621 ITEMS: 1. Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of May 19, 2005 MOTION PC-22-2005: Commissioner Bidney made a motion to approve the minutes of May 19, 2005 Vice Chair Addington seconded the motion MOTION VOTE PC-22-2006: Approved 2-0-2-1 Commissioner Comstock Abstained Chair Wilson Absent Commissioner Whitley Absent 2. SA-05-06 E-05-04: Continuation of the project that will consist of a conversion of an existing single story, 1,350 square foot home into an office for a manhole production and installation company. This project will . also consist of the conversion of an existing barn, garage and several outbuildings into approximately 5,000 square feet of material storage warehouses. There will also be approximately 70,000 square feet of outdoor production and storage. for a construction yard. APPLICANT: Manhole Builders LOCATION: 21712 Vivienda Avenue, Assessor's Parcel Number 0275-191- 02 RECOMMENDATION: Open the public hearing, receive testimony, close the public hearing, and approve SA-05-06 and E-05-04 with conditions. Planning Technician Gollihar: Thank you Vice Chairman and members of the Commission. My name is Jeff Gollihar and I am a member of the staff. As I have stated the applicant is requesting a site and architectural review to convert an existing single family, single story residence which is a non-conforming use in an industrial area into an office and also converting some barns, garage, and some other out buildings for storage and also developing about 7,000 square feet for outdoor storage. The residence is located at 21712 Vivienda. It cannot be entered from that road; it has to be entered from Terrace Avenue and,an easement. The residence is a legal non-conforming use in the General Plan Designation as an Industrial site and it is zoned M2 Industrial. The properties directly to the north, east, west and to the southwest are also zoned M2 properties. To the east and to the'direct south are zoned R2 Medium to Low Density Residential. The property to the south is zoned R1-7.2 Single Family Residential. The subject site fronts on Vivienda but because of a 60 to 70 foot cliff, the property is basically unapproachable through Vivienda. The only access is through the easement off of Terrace Avenue which is a public street in the City of Grand Terrace. The subject site is approximately 2 1,150 feet from the Santa Ana River but is not within.the Santa Ana River right of way, easements or any area associated with the Santa Ana River. Therefore, this project is in the jurisdiction of the City of Grand Terrace. The Santa Ana River is a 303D Impaired body of water which needs to be addressed again for best management practices of the WQMP permit, so that j there is no gentle runoff into the-Santa Ana River. Also, the San Bernardino County Flood Control through their historical maps show both in the January and February, 1969 flood maps, I was told that those were the two maps that were considered the worst flood year on record for the Santa Ana River in that area according to the San Bernardino County Flood Control Planning Department. The Federal Emergency Management Agency Map shows that in February 23, 2005, a revised LOMR effective March 18, 1996, indicates that a 100 year flood plane has been altered. A portion of it is still within the flood plane. The subject site as was indicated is an industrial zoned M2. This particular project would fit that category. The San Bernardino County Fire Department was again contacted to review this particular project as requested by Commissioner Bidney. The conditions are enclosed in the staff report. The fire department's major concern was how they were going to put out any fires in the area. Their request is that they have a fire hydrant within 150 feet of any building, therefore, as was concurred by the water company, there will have to be an onsite fire hydrant as well a fire hydrant in front of the property. That was their main concern. They considered the road stable enough for them to get down on, and they also considered some others things with regard to fire access to the property. There were six different things that both the Planning Commission and the residents of the area were concerned about. One was the environmental assessment; in that particular Negative Declaration, there were some errors in it and as stated at the last meeting, those errors were corrected. There were also some concerns with traffic and road conditions. These conditions were met in a letter that was written by the City Traffic Engineer wrote how there would be some _ type of paving along Terrace Avenue as well as paving inside of the particular project. There were also some issues about flooding. The County Flood Control was contacted and those concerns were taken care of through the conditions from the WQMP and also by the Flood Control map with regard to 100 year flood. There were concerns about air quality. Two air quality permits have been issued and there are other concerns that we can address during this meeting. As was stated again, the County Fire Department as well as the Riverside Highland Water Company addressed the issues with the water line taken down Terrace Avenue, across the easement to the property itself. There were concerns about noise. The Conditions states that at the property line, the decibel readings need to be at 55 and the other half modified through whatever to make it happen. Therefore based upon the fact that this is a project suitable for the area, and it appears as though that through the environmental study and through the efforts of the applicant, this project. The Staff finds that SA-05-06 and E-05-04 meets all the findings of the Zoning Code regarding this project. That concludes my presentation. Vice Chair Addington: Thank you. Are there any questions for staff at this time? Commissioner Bidney: I have a question. In relationship to the ingress and egress of this property, if I'm correct, we're using a Vivienda address. Anybody coming to the property without proper notification will never find the property. I don't know if that's our custom to have an address for a business that is not locatable and doesn't have a driveway in existence, that's one question, the other question is, ingress and egress of this whole area; this is the west side of town and I don't know of any traffic control or anything over in that area. The west side of Stater Bros. is owned by Colton and under proposition item two the traffic engineer is going to take 3 care of the road, and I don't see how he can do that without getting permission from Colton and I don't see how we're going to spend the money, our portion of Grand Terrace homes is from Vivienda to the applicant's property and that is not a two way street really, doesn't have any painted lines down it and we're going to have 10 wheel trucks coming out of there and then (� we're going to have a low boy delivery truck trailer that's going to be 40 feet long that's going to deliver concrete manholes and there's no way that he's going to be able to come up Terrace Road and make a right hand turn to La Cadena over the bridge and he's not going to be able to make a left hand turn without using all the road there is, so my assumption is he's going to come up Terrace Road, to Walnut, over to Burns to Vivienda and he's going to make a right hand turn across the existing railroad track. He's either going to come out on Grand Terrace Road or La Crosse. He's going to use that whole residential area for ingress and egress for all of these trucks, and I don't understand it. Planning Director Koontz: My question back to you is how many trucks do you think are going to be generating by this project? What is all this traffic? Commissioner Bidney: Well you're going to have from my understanding two trucks 10 wheelers coming in the morning and two 10 wheelers coming back at night, so that's eight trips as far as I can see minimum, plus your going to have delivery of 40 foot low boy delivering material. Now, when the weather is hot, and they slam on those breaks and move that asphalt up into a bunch, the City of Grand Terrace is going to have to repair that.- That's a minimum amount of traffic out there and I think the problem will be worse. I just can't see how we justify that. Vice Chair Addington: Question for staff, do you want to go into this question now, or do we want to take some public input? Planning Director Koontz: The standard procedure is that you have a right to ask us questions at this point then open the hearing, ask for comments from the applicant and open to the general public. Vice Chair Addington: Okay, you're turn to answer the question if you desire. Planning Director Koontz: Our Condition Number Two as part of the Conditions of Approval is all commercial traffic will be directed onto Terrace Avenue and Barton Road while avoiding any traffic on Vivienda Avenue. It is a condition of the Conditional Use Permit where if they violate that we have the right to revoke their permit. Vice Chair Addington: Which permit? Planning Director Koontz: This land use permit. As a condition of approval of this, if they violate that. Vice Chair Addington: Okay, so we got that one written in this time. Planning Director Koontz: Right. Vice Chair Addington:. At this point we will go ahead and open up the Public Hearing. I would like to invite the Applicant to come up and address the Commission. Stacey Jaureguy: My name is Stacey Jaureguy and I am representing the applicant and project manager for Manhole Builders. The address is 5021 Stone Avenue in Riverside. First of all, I would like to begin by thanking you for the opportunity to continue this hearing today. We have 4 prepared a list of issues that are concerns in relation to comments that have been made by the Commission as well as.the residents. Some of them are actually issues that Jeff has addressed, if you would bare with me, I would like to go through them. Apparently, as Jeff mentioned, some of these concerns are because of these errors made on the environmental report so obviously people would be concerned because it wasn't consistent with our project. Greater problems were initiated by a resident outside the neighborhood, who misrepresented the nature of our business, telling our neighbors that we were putting a rock and sand quarry in and that the concrete production would ruin the environment and the health of the neighbors. Now, if I was a resident and I heard that, I would be very concerned as well. Yes, we are going to ,be manufacturing pre-cast concrete products, manholes to-be exact, but it will not impact the environment or health of the residents. That is why such state agencies as the air quality and water quality control boards have been established. No business can run without applying for a qualifying under the regulations of these agencies to ensure that such quality control measures are adhered to. As far as the cement dust concerns that have been mentioned, we will not be breaking open bags of cement to make up our concrete. That would cause the concrete to go into the air. Rather, we will have a state approved permitted storage silo that will hold the cement and which will have required bag house filtration system to keep the cement contained where it should be. We also have purchased the smallest industrial concrete mixer we could find on the market which dispenses the cement through a course of enclosed conveyor belts, again, making sure it is to stay where it should be. It also has been approved and permitted by the Air Quality Control Management Board. To clarify an apparent misunderstanding, we will have one truck deliver the product to the installation crew in the field twice a day, but we do hope someday, to have a second truck as a backup which will bring us to full capacity. The pictures presented to us at the last meeting showed a pre-cast company in Rialto. The worst looking pre-cast plant we have ever seen. But the intentions of the pictures was to depict what our operation was going to look like. Again, this could not be further from the truth. First of all, their company does not produce the same products that we will manufacture, nor, would we allow the gravel on our roads to decompose like theirs into a dust like state. It is unfair to compare us to such a facility. That's like taking a poorly maintained house in the City of Grand Terrace and showing a picture to someone and saying that this is what Grand Terrace looks like. Most people here do take pride in ownership. And we like other well managed companies will consciencsiously take pride in our business ownership and thus maintain our driving areas and storage yard. Another understandable concern was the matter of commercial traffic using the residential streets for access to our property. We would like to assure the residents that Terrace Avenue will be our only access point. There is room for our trucks to make a left hand turn heading south on Terrace Avenue and going east on Barton Avenue. And it is correct it is not possible to make a right hand turn onto La Cadena and we don't have any intentions of doing so. As my next comment will mention, we can use an alternate route if we need to go to La Cadena. A comment was made at the last meeting that Colton has plans to upgrade the bridges that are'on Barton, and so that was a concern of course because they do not want any commercial traffic in their neighborhood. But even when the bridge on Barton is closed for repairs, the east bridge, all trucks will still have access to the Freeway by proceeded south on Terrace if you take Barton east and just jogs over a little bit, it still goes south, it turns into Berry Street as it connects to La Crosse. And if they needed, even at this point before the bridge is ever even worked on, to get back to La Cadena they could make a loop around and head back over that bridge if necessary. 5 But our suppliers will be give clear directions on how to access the property. I do believe that appropriate signs located on Vivienda and Terrace Avenue would be in order to keep trucks from entering the residential district, and I'm sure that everyone would agree with me on that. The conditions of the road have also been a matter of discussion, and the parties most concerned with those issues which was the San Bernardino County Fire Department as well as the City Traffic Engineer, both were consulted twice and have addressed the repairs needed. The Fire Department has also required a fire hydrant on our property site to ensure emergency water needs are met. On,the subject of water, some have stated that the proposed site is on a hazardous flood zone, which Jeff mentioned. This too has been thoroughly investigated and it has been confirmed by the San Bernardino County Flood Control that due to improvements in adjacent areas, the flooding zone has been upgraded in status on the latest FEMA Map dated February 23, 2005. Even before this upgrade on the FEMA Map, the previous zoning would have not presented any limitations on our ability to proceed with our desired plans for the property according to the San Bernardino County Flood control. Our existing business has been in the same location in Riverside for over 20 years. We have run the business over these years with about the same amount of people. We have by choice, kept our operations small over these years. The reason why we are now moving into manufacturing is because our pre-cast supplier changed ownership and their services no longer meet our standards. Also, we are dependant on them, and unfortunately their future is uncertain. This has forced us to make this change, so any comments questioning our intentions to keep our operation small are completely untrue and unfounded. Our desire is to keep it simple, take care of our own supply needs and hope to continue to maintain a level of sanity if we can in doing so. But in conclusion, we understand the residents concerns. No one who lives near industrial zoning really wants to see it used for that purpose. But they can be assured that we will prove to be an asset to the City. Not only in a financial way, which would also help improve the roads, but we will improve the parcel that we will be occupying and we will be a responsible neighbor. We certainly feel that there is no reason why we should be denied to use the property in a way consistent with city zoning and municipal codes as well as state and local agencies. We have pursued working with and have fully cooperated with all agencies which only adds to fine reputation we have built in the industry for being an honest and professionally run business. We hope to set a fine standard for any future business that comes to the City of Grand Terrace. If the Planning Commissioners have any questions, I would be happy to try to answer them. Vice Chair Addington: Are there any questions for the applicant? Commissioner Comstock: I was looking at the machinery that will be used and searching for a measurable decibel reading during hours of operation. Has there been any kind of a study done on that machinery to know the volume of the decibel reading on it so we can mitigate those problems and also is there going to be something that can be mitigated. Stacey Jaureguy: That question was asked at the last meeting and we did try to get decibel readings. Funny that this would be an issue in more cities than this one, but apparently, it's not because it's something that is in place with these equipment companies. They don't have the decibel readings, even the local companies that we checked with, so as Jeff mentioned, there is a noise ordinance and which we are happy to comply with. We were told by the concrete mixer 6 manufacturers that's it is quieter than an idling diesel truck and that's really all that they could compare it to. And really they mentioned that until it's on the site, there are so many factors that can determine whether the noise carries or not, that you really cannot have a clear cut decibel reading for each cement mixer. It has to do with where it is located and certainly in an in place and before we can receive our occupancy permit, we would have to do whatever would be required if those decibel readings are above the standards set by the City, and we don't have any problem with that. Vice Chair Addington: Thank you very much Stacey. I have a stack of request to speak forms. Since this is a continued item, I would like to advise that everyone come speak that you only present new information, and not information that was already presented to us last month, and ask that you would keep your comments addressed to three minutes. Jerry Guthrie? Jerry Guthrie: I am Jerry Guthrie, I live at 21769 Vivienda Avenue, Grand Terrace, and our house is directly above where the house is they are going to turn into the office. But just to the east is where the mixer is going to be running and we have a lot of children in our neighborhood and as you know, exhaust goes up. Diesel soot will be coming into our neighborhood and I think that is unacceptable. If the wind moved in the other direction, that might be different, but the pollution that we are going to have is unacceptable. The other thing is that what guarantee they are going to have when their business takes off and they're making lots of money. They want to have a successful business and they want to grow, what will we do then? Are they going to have eight trips, or will it be sixteen or thirty two trips by next year? Catherine Guthrie: I am Catherine Guthrie I live at 21769 Vivienda Avenue in Grand Terrace. Noise levels, right now when I am outside pulling weeds in my front yard, I hear horses. Horses are pretty quiet, but I hear the horses and it's a wonderful sound. I hate to think that I have put all of these years and investment into my home to hear the sound of diesel trucks with cement mixers. It's going to drop my property values and everyone else's dramatically. I don't know that do want to sell, but if'l did want to sell and I am getting ready to retire fairly soon, within the next fifteen years, I will have nothing to sell because I will live at the end of town in a City of Industry. I will not be part of the Blue Mountain City; I will part of Blue Mountain Industry. It will become an industrial zone and our properties will be worth nothing. I resent that my property values are going to drop dramatically, I am sure by half. I love where I live, I love the sound of the horses and roosters, and I love looking out over the mountains. The Santa Ana winds are fierce in our area and I can't imagine this kind of industry with those kinds of winds blowing in our neighborhoods. I climb Blue Mountain several mornings a week, I love where I live because it's quiet and industrial, and I hope this doesn't change my neighborhood. Thank you. Bobbie Forbes: I am Bobbies Forbes I live at 11850 Burns Avenue in Grand Terrace. 'I .don't know if I am really prepared yet, I was a little late coming in. I did pass out a petition that we signed in the neighborhood. Most of the people that are here live in the neighborhood and I handed it over so that you could see the names that are on it. It does include the names from last month. I appreciate that they have done some more investigating and are eager to please. I don't mean to be rude, but they are willing to cooperate with the changes in the proposal. I am glad that the City of Grand Terrace has reviewed and corrected it. I have not had the opportunity to review since it has only been made available since Monday or Tuesday of this week. We have been doing as much investigating as we can in that short period of time. 7 thought that we would get another 21 days to review what went out a couple of days ago, but I guess I was wrong. It is my understanding that the trucks from Stater Bros. are grandfathered in for their noise level and the pollution that we deal with having come from Stater Bros. Warehouse, but I do know that it is Colton, and I do wonder what will go in there because Stater Bros. is a good neighborhood, they have security out in the neighborhood all the time. They are my best friend at 2 A.M. when I am outside and I can't sleep and trying to figure out what a car is doing going around a corner too fast squealing their tires, so I call security, because the cops don't come very fast. Also, wonder if this goes in, I realize that the area down below is going to change at some time are you going to change the zoning where I live and make that industrial and make that R1 cause the plumbing yard is next door and the Stater Bros. Warehouse is there which is Colton, and then they are going to go in and the other two homes that are there will some day maybe sell and because they will probably get tired of living next door to the Manhole Builders plant and whatever else may go in. I am concerned what will happen to my property. I will stay there for awhile because I have a purpose for living in the neighborhood because. I like the rural as opposed to where the houses are so close together. That is my question; I don't what anyone else has brought that up. I am not very prepared, because that's all I have for the moment, but if think of anything else I will come back up to the podium. Vice Chair Addington: Thank you Bobbie. Staff, just a quick question for the change of zoning, what is the process in that. Planning Director Koontz: Basically any change of zone would require a General Plan Amendment and a Zone Change both being heard by the Planning Commission with public hearings and also the City Council. Vice Chair Addington: So it would be a long public process. Planning Director Koontz: Yes. Vice Chair Addington: Thank you. Leon Berry. T. Leon Berry: Good evening, my name is T. Leon Berry. I live at 22740 La Paix Street in Grand Terrace. My concern is the untreated ground water that we have with the impurities that might be generated. Also, the trapped air, I'm sure that this will come up mostly because I see when something comes up in the air I do oppose this application based on the fact that I have a home in the Muscoy area that is a mile from the same type of facility and there is a grey dust that is constantly in my filters and along the walls. That is why I am opposed to this project. Thank you. Vice Chair Addington: Jeff McConnell Jeffrey McConnell: So I don't confuse myself with Mr. Gollihar here. I will need a few more minutes here. First of all Bobbie Forbes and I are here as residents and some of you perceive to .think that somehow this a battle between the Chamber and the City and it is not. Okay, secondly, I just received this packet on Monday, when it was available to us. It is very difficult to try to review the packet to do research on it. There are some reports in here where I was unable to get in touch with some people. Let me give you this pictorial thing where I showed at the last meeting. I will skip the first page, but the second page, I will show you what a typical 10 wheeler is for those who don't know, at 8 the left hand corner. A production facility like this is not going to bring sand and gravel in a pickup truck. Usually a 10 wheeler delivers this. This.was taken down at Hedgens which is right on the other side of La Cadena. The picture below showing me bending in a hole with my butt in the air is a sink hole that showed up three days after the last meeting belongs to the neighborhood that was repaired quite quickly by the City. The picture to the right of it shows that it wasn't just a little hole, it did go underneath. If you look at the picture where I am looking into the hole, you will see both sides where the hole is, that part of Terrace Road which is just north of Walnut by about 200 feet, it is a close-up view of how deteriorated that ancient road is. The upper right hand corner, that picture was taken today. People are dumping stuff down there all the time, and it's never been swept and been taken care of. The argument as to whose street this is, it is Grand Terrace's street. That part has hardly ever been taken care of and that is from the rains six months ago. Last page is a transport truck in a similar facility. The upper right hand corner shows my Toyota turning right at the top of Terrace Road onto Barton Road. It is a very dangerous situation that is why I think I took a lot of pictures to show all of the kids bicycling up and down the street. This is the type of neighborhood we live in and a lot of people take alternative routes. Some get lost from Stater Bros. all of the commercial trucks go zipping right down the street, and I have a feeling there are a lot of my neighbors here where I think this is a time to request that the entire neighborhood gets reviewed for signage not just heavy trucks but for speed and speed bumps. On the report, with regard to Condition Three, Terrace Avenue never gets repaired as shown in some of the pictures, unless there is a sinkhole that pops up.- With regard to Condition Six, I don't believe that it will stop the dust from the yard, this is the reason why I showed the first page of the pictures from the other yard where they have a gravel base. Years have built up and I can't see how they will be able to maintain the dust and dirt out of the gravel, unless they have a very large vacuum. Condition Fourteen seems impossible. Condition Twenty Five, the residents on Vivienda such as the Guthrie's and their neighbors, it will block their view with all of the proposed landscaping, I'm sure that is why they have lived there was because of the view. With regard to the Traffic Engineers memorandum of May 19, 2005, that was the same night of the previous Planning Commission meeting and it sounds like it wasn't prepared very well, it was just a memorandum and not a full report and does not include any signage at all. In this complete package, there is no mention of any signage that I recall. I also do not know of any plans of future road work. It also states that the applicant is being condition to repair any pavement failures which are defined in that memorandum as existing gaps in the road. Those gaps will change real quickly once there are in production with those 10 wheelers coming and going every day. With regard to Condition 34, 1 have been over to the lumber yards and the sawdust which is construction debris from the lumber yards is swept up and taken care of on their paved street. I believe it's concrete and pieces of dust.is also considered construction debris. That house was built in the sixties at some time and I'm sure that the septic system was built around the same time, I'm sure. According to the report I understand that there will be 10 employees that's coming and going. That house has been supporting two people in that house for a number of years, but I'm sure that septic system is not designed for that type of capacity. As far as the engineering report, Stacey was talking about the permit process with AQMD, I spoke with Scott Linn who signed off and worked on that report, that permit is strictly for the - equipment mixer that their requiring and the silo that she mentioned, but did not make any mention of outdoor storage, related dust to the outdoor storage that accumulates or what they are not able to clean up. That's about all the time I have. I am also a developer and I sell real estate, I am not against development, but if there is going to be development, I was beside you 9 with regard to the Outdoor Adventures Center, and every time I hear that I think of the city not wanting anything hodge podge or piece meal, I consider this project as hodge podge and piece meal. Thank you. Vice Chair Addington: Thank you Jeff. William Kaminsky please. Now Mr. Kaminsky, I see you have noted that you wanted 10 minutes of time; you will be given 3 minutes please. Thank you. William Kaminisky: One of the things that should be brought up here is I am one person her that don't trust anyone. So I do my own investigations. In the interim I went and contacted the City of Rialto and the City of Loma Linda and their uniform condition was no way. This does not fit the outline that is shown within the City's zoning right now. Although it says technically, building contractor's storage yard, things like that, this is far beyond.that. The County considers this to be a dirty industry, the same as the clay pipe manufacturers and the asbestos cement type of manufacturers. They group them into one area so that they can control them. That is why Colton has the one area down by Rancho; they don't put them all over the place. So this guy is coming to a brand new location. If there was somebody right next to them with a similar operation, there would be no trouble with them. Loma Linda is the one that said no way, we just wouldn't have them come in and develop this type of place. The County also mentioned that this would be under a CUP and under constant inspection for the first two years to make sure that they adhere. Some of the things that have been talked about have been talked about in the wrong manner. One of the things is Flood Control. I will give you my report. I went to the San Bernardino County Flood Control, and they showed a map that has a storm drain cutting through this property, which is not picked up in the staff report. Thusly, this is a master plan and we had a street failure based on this storm drain not being installed, Grand Terrace Road gave way a few years ago and they had to put in a bypass for it. That line is shown in the County master plan shows that is cut right into the Rancho line going into the storm channel. I asked them about the situation of flooding that goes down near the bridge, and they said that they hope most of it had to be collected but there has to be a hydrology report it can't shoot off the hip when it is flooding. The City of Colton has already barricaded that are which is about three months out of the whole year generally because of rain. The intersection floods and there is no secondary way out. As part of the staff report, there should have been a hydrology report which I know it has not been included. Furthermore, they do not have any legal access to the property. I went and contacted the County, and they show that the road north of Vivienda, which is Terrace Road and has been in the railroad right of way since 1915. Your conditioning of them to connect to that road is trespassing. That road was granted to the Merriman's in 1915 by the railroad and is about 1,000 feet long and goes all the way into Colton before La Cadena was even built. Secondly, when you have a truck that is 9 1/2 feet wide with a road that is 18 feet wide, that puts that truck over the center line and you can't pass. And the traffic report mentioned in there says that an average daily trip would be 29 trips, that's one in every 15-20 minutes for the working day either way. We were conditioned to put in street improvements on Vivienda and there was a mentioned with r regard to a ledge right below the roadway and this used to be access to Vivienda, you can see the dirt road that remains. The staff needs to do a more complete report for this project. The City Engineer needs to become more involved in this project. 10 Vice Chair Addington: Thank you for your input. Staff I have looked at the flood control exhibit that was provided to us, the master drainage plan for this is on .the east side of Rancho line which is located on the property next door for your information. Jo Stringfield please. Jo Stringfield: Good evening, my name is Jo Stringfield, and I still live at 22273 Barton Road and am still a resident there. And I am still concerned about the City and what's going in. And feel that the Manhole cover manufacturing company would not be good for those that live around the residential there, and share Bobbie Forbes concern about what's going to happen to her property and the others properties, just look and see what has happened to my property and along Barton Road. You can come in and follow procedure to change zoning, but it can still happen so it's a real concern for them to not want a manufacturing company and not want all the pollution and trucks; it is a worry. Just look at Barton Road with all the trucks that go up and down let'alone on little streets, and I just wanted to voice my concern for them too. Thank you. Vice Chair Addington: Thank you very much, I appreciate it. At this point, we've gone through almost all of the request to speak forms. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak at this time and present new information that hasn't already been presented tonight, if so, please come up to the podium. Warner Hodgden: Thank you Mr. Chairman, my name is Warner Hodgden and I represent La Sierra Holding Company. We will be at the 50 acres immediately to the south contiguous to this property and recently bought on January 27th of this year. We are positive people, we have met with staff and Mr. Koontz starting back in December and I have recently talked with Jeff and considered them to be very professional persons. I have read this report this week and would like to address the following issues and specifically I have talked to Jeff, and I am saying Jeff not because I am familiar with him but because I cannot remember his last name. noticed from your traffic engineer that it states that Jerry Glander the Director of Building and Safety informed me that to do future work, that is contemplated that the condition of the paving is not necessary because of contemplated new roads in the future and I would like to know what exactly those are, because I don't know anything about them. In relative to the easement, I understand that one of the conditions of the applicant is that t they dedicate approximately 30 feet on the north. That would mean we would dedicate 30 feet on the north of that to make a 60 foot right of way, I do not know what the curb separation are, but I did bring up to Jeff earlier and I believe I am correct but could stand to be wrong. I have had my engineer look at it and I looked at it onsite myself, I believe major power lines are right on the line and would end up right in the middle in the sixty foot street and are almost prohibitive in relative to cost to relocate them. I can see that possibly if the applicant would consider a 60 foot dedication, we would immediately enter into an agreement with the City and the applicant to go ahead and pave our half of the road clear on out to Terrace Road. Vice Chair Addington: Just for clarification, Sir, your property is due north of this? Warner Hodgeson: Yes. In continuance to what they referred to west of Terrace Road. In all fairness to the existing property owners who are still there that are non-compliant owners, talked to Mrs. Rich who has lived there for forty years, I am familiar with that property immediately contiguous with the Riverside Canal etcetera, and doing the transaction over forty years ago when I was building the Bluffs Restaurant and Dunn Edward's Paint store and so on and working with the City of Riverside and the La Sierra Water Company at that particular time. am here representing my two Sons. 11 In conclusion, I also noticed that the area is on a septic tank. I realized that the temporary standpoint that they might use the existing septic system, but I am assuming that this area is surrounded by sewer lines and the closest one being on Terrace Avenue that the improvements should be put in to that street at this time and the sewer and water mains extended. We would like to participate and start off on the right foot. I admire what I read about this family who has been in business together as brother and sisters, etcetera for twenty five years, and I know what it is like to work hard and start and I do not quarrel with the staff report cause I do not know much about it, but I do know about access and I am unaware of any new improvements that are going in and we will try to expedite them as soon as possible and including addressing the underpass out to La Cadenda Avenue under the railroad. The previous gentleman had mentioned that it was not a dedicated right of way and I would like to correct him because I am intricately aware of that 1915 dedication by the railroad was to the County of San Bernardino for that access and they gave up the existing access and the avenue at that time and across the railroad track on to La Cadena, it is our intent in cooperating with the City of Colton which happens to be incidentally, their line is west of the underpass and the actual underpass is in Grand Terrace. I realize that the area does flood, and the recent construction by the San Bernardino County Flood Control i.e., their parks division of the trail there put a balk head across that area to accommodate the trail-and further impact it and blocked off the dam. Thank you for your time have taken up more than three minutes but I am intricately in the knowledge of the area and have been because my family has the largest investment and we intend to go forward. The most recent project that I have completed was the Ashley Furniture project located at Cooley Ranch. It was about an 80 Million Dollar project with nothing but the highest quality for 29 acres that we do have zoned into the City of Grand Terrace. Thank you very much. r_ Vice Chair Addington: Thank you very much Sir. Would anyone like to address the Commission at this time? Hello my name is Juanita Ogden, I recently purchased a home at 21811 Vivienda Avenue. My Mother lives on Maple, which is the same area that I had purchased a home near where I was raised, and I thought that it would be a great idea to live by my Mom where my kids can ride their bikes and. they could go to Grandma's nice and safe. When I was in that area growing up, didn't have to wear a helmet, and now I understand why kids have to wear helmets. I would hate to see in the future if this production company goes through where my kids mistakenly trying to get to their Grandma's house just riding their bikes by a big truck in that area. And I really hope that a homeowner and a Mother of three young children in the area, that this does not have to happen, and I think this whole thing is unacceptable, and it is not the right thing to do. Thank you. Vice Chair Addington: Thank you. Would anyone else like to address the Commission? My name is Jennifer Kados, I live at 21815 Vivienda Avenue. I get deliveries from FedEx, UPS, and pizza for residents that live below me. Across the street to get my mail, I am almost hit daily by people whether they are residents, police, or commercial vehicles that was my concern. Someone mentioned earlier about putting in signs and speed bumps, I think that's a good idea. Thank you. Good Evening, my name is Larvin Houston and I own the property there on Maple between Walnut and Vivienda at 21600 Walnut. There was one question to ask why the applicant's address shows up as Vivienda, it's because that's where the water meter is. We have a water 12 meter on the property on Maple, but it goes to Vivienda. At the last meeting we had here, I had the property in escrow, and it fell out because of our nice lovely neighborhood. We had the opportunity to have Terrace Road improved with curb and gutter all the way down to Vivienda. We had the opportunity to have Walnut done as well, but the question about coming up Terrace Road and making a left onto Walnut, you cannot do that in a big truck, it has to go out onto Barton Road. Should they come in from that way, they cannot get out. I am sorry that these people have got homes in an industrial area between two railroad tracks. I feel for them, but they are talking about losing property value. I have gained quite a bit of property value on my property. My intentions were to build on that property, and I think that we had everything basically done. One of the reasons why I backed off is because my office that we were putting was better than any house on Maple Street. I was over building and that is why we didn't put an office there. Most of the people that are here tonight shouldn't be involved in this thing. I realized that this is their neighborhood, but the people on the back side of Vivienda are the only ones that have a concern with this. The applicant has more money invested in their property than the entire residential area. My name is Mike Simon, and I live at 21797 Vivienda Avenue. In remarks to Mr. Twisted Sister here. Vice Chair Addington: Let's keep everything professional please. Mike Simon: I'm sorry, I forgot his name. That area was not originally commercial. It was originally agricultural. I don't know what you guys did to change it to agricultural, and I'm not saying that it was the people that are on the Commission right now, I know it was done years ago. I would like to see proof that they did everything legal to change it. I don't think it was done legally or morally and I would like to see it reversed. My name is Virginia Hernandez and I live at 11858 Maple Avenue and have lived there over 38 years and raised 6 children. It is a beautiful neighborhood to have my children grow up in. I work Stater Bros. warehouse for 27 years and am now retired. It's a shame that one person can come out and blow the whole thing away. I love Grand Terrace, I raised my children there and could put up with the plane visits, have a good relationship with the plumbers across the street from me, I have no problems. When I hear about this situation. of this thing brought down because it's in the General Plan, because the City of Grand Terrace has this all laid all laid out already, when I moved there, across the street was agriculture. Down the hill on Vivienda and on Terrace Avenue, it was all agricultural ranches and horses. Now it's all going down the tubes. My name is Shauna Padilla and I live at. 21797 Vivienda. I wanted to talk about the fire department. They will not be able to find those houses. The only way that they find those houses is because of the residents along that ridge stop the fire trucks. Whenever you see a fire truck go by three or four times, you have to go out there and ask what they are trying to find. We have to remind them that there are houses down there, because they have been by within the passed month. My name is Mario Franklin I live at 21779 Vivienda. Manhole Covers represents sewage. I live just not even 100 yards where they are going to have these manufactured. I hate the fact that I am going to have sewage representing where I live and all the people are here tonight. So pretty much, I feel that this had been a injustice to all of us. I know that this is not the best side of town, but.you guys have to do us a favor and help us out. We need your help. 13 My name is Rebecca Duran, and I live at 21899 Vivienda. I am at the corner.of Vivienda and Grand Terrace Road. I just bought my home and I have a lot of traffic going through there, and across the street from me, there is no property there. I really like it out here and my family really likes it out here, and I know that if you were to bring a project like this I would hate to think what this will make the neighborhood where I plan to live my last days here. Vice Chair Addington: Not seeing any other takers for the public hearing, I would like to is ask our last speaker request form to come up. Stacey Jaureguy, would you please come up. Stacey Jaureguy: Just one comment, I think most of the issues that have been brought up have already been addressed by the engineers and the various agencies, but just in regard to the gravel drives, gravel has to be replenished, and when people don't care about their business, they don't replenish it, so yes, it can happen, but as 1 mentioned in my statement before, we have no intentions of letting our gravel decompose to the point of dust. We are going to keep up our gravel roads and if we have to sign something to ensure that, we would be happen to do so in order to allay any worries of a dust condition that would happen if there is some type of an issue like that, we don't want the dust either. So I can understand how the residents feel. Vice Chair Addington: Stacy I have a question with regard to the dust and the roads, I appreciate you sharing that the equipment that you will be providing will control the cement dust, but in regards to the roads, realistically the three inches of gravel there is going to be put down, and I'm speaking here as a civil engineer, to maintain that in a proper manner will required two repairs during the winter months. Would you company consider paving those drives within your property with asphalt? Stacy Jaureguy: Well, the issue is with the water quality control people. As I have mentioned in the first meeting, before we decided what our services were going to be, we'checked with the State agencies and got their recommendations. We want to make sure that we conform especially to the storm water division and they preferred the impervious surface and the gravel drives because they don't want that sheeting off. Vice Chair Addington: I understand what the water board desires.. I have to do these similar WQMD for my clients all the time, but on the issue of porous pavement, it is usually a hardened pavement that has to be swept and maintained usually on a monthly basis. To try and maintain and sweep your porous pavement, you can't because it is strictly gravel. That's why I am asking if you would consider the AC Pavement. The issue for water quality board is you have lots of open area out there as long as your lime is not getting into the soil and your lime is staying in your cement batch plant, you should be fine. The rest of it should be draining off into green spaces. So there's really not a conflict in here any more, and I really don't think that the water quality control board in the request for porous pavement is going to be a deciding factor for any votes by this Commission. My issue on this one is the dust. Your machinery and permits have covered that issue. The dirt roads are going to be a major dust issue out there, year round including winter. That is why I am asking would your company be willing to pave the interior of your project. Not all of the storage yards, I am asking for the drives. Stacy Jaureguy: And what are you stipulating is the drives specifically so it is clear. Vice Chair Addington: Everywhere where you're going to put three inches of gravel where you're going to drive your vehicles. Stacy Jaureguy: I don't think I can make that decision, I would have to consult with the owners to be able to make that decision. I don't see why the gravel would be sufficient if it is well 14 maintained. While the dust is going to settle on the surface, it's going to settle on any surface, whether it's concrete or it's the gravel, and the water is going to be able to allow that dust to go down to the gravel, so we feel that it is reasonable and it has been well thought out, and we hope that the Commission would uphold the choice that we made, but in order to make that decision, I would have to consult with the owners, because it would also be an economical pattern. Vice Chair Addington: Alright we appreciate that. Are there any other questions of the applicant. Thank you very much. At this point we will go ahead and close the public hearing. We do have some questions of staff. An issue was brought up with regard to neighborhood signage. What is involved in putting signs out there for no trucks. Planning Director Koontz: Anything like that has to be made as a request to the City Council. They would have to take an action on it. Vice Chair Addington: Another issue was brought up with regard to new roads in the area, can you address that. Planning Technician Gollihar: Jerry Glander basically said that future projects will be developed to the west and to the north and will be required to widen the roads which would be a requirement of building and safety. The current proposed project has been required to pave the property with aggregate base, slag or ground ac pavement. Vice Chair Addington: the entire property or only the drives? Planning Technician Gollihar: All of the drives and the access points. Vice Chair Addington: and the third issue that was brought was sewer. Is there sewer in the area? Planning Director Koontz: I believe there is a sewer line that goes along Grand Terrace Road. Planning Technician Gollihar: I believe that there is also a sewer line in the access easement. It was not addressed by the building and safety department because of the size of the project and property. Building and Safety Department said it was not necessary to put it on sewer but it could be installed at a later date as long as the lot is over an acre; it was not required to be connected. Vice Chair Addington: Any other questions of Staff? Commissioner Comstock: Yes, I have a couple of questions. As an ex-parte communication, Jeffrey McConnell came to my home to drop off a CD with pictures. I was not at the last Planning Commission meeting, so I am busy trying to catch myself up here with all of the information. The storm drain that appears here from the San Bernardino County Flood Control District which runs through this property, or close to it, how deep is that? Vice Chair Addington: If you had that to me I will be able to decipher it for you. The plan view is showing this as a trapezoidal channel with a bottom width of 10 feet, depth in three feet and side slopes 1 1/2:1 feet. The profile view is showing the same thing, so it would be an open channel. 15 Commissioner Comstock: With all of the problems that we have had about the suggesting about the mail address being on Vivienda, what kind of ball of wax or bees nest would we be in to try to get an address change down along Terrace Road there. Planning Director Koontz: Building and Safety issues the street addresses, so we would have to sit down with Jerry (Glander) and figure out'how we could handle that issue. I am sure that there is some way that we could work out that issue. Commissioner Comstock: It seems to me that it would clear up a lot of the issues about traffic coming through the neighborhood and if they were to have a separate address away from the residential neighborhood on a separate street, I would be in favor of having that condition to the project. Planning Technician Gollihar: The applicant did request that I speak to Jerry Glander, and he said basically until that road is a dedicated road, that there is no way to give ingress and egress to Vivienda because that is where the dedicated road is. I asked if it were possible to name a private drive, but Jerry Glander said that a private drive is not on a public map. Mr. Glander also added that until we develop the entire area, a private road would create the same problem. Commissioner Comstock: That brings up another question that I have regarding the easement that has been donated or dedicated for the segment of the road and correct me if I am wrong, but did I hear you say that we're going to have a three inch gravel base for a road? Planning Technician Gollihar: Due to the fact that it is still considered a private drive, and proposed future development will eventually be introduced, the traffic engineer did not find it necessary to develop at this time only to have to tear it down in a short period of time. Commissioner Comstock: I guess my question is will we require other property owners to dedicate and pave that road, why are we not doing that on this one? Planning Technician Gollihar: There will be a small portion that will be dedicated for the concern of water quality. A small portion will be dedicated for future development and they will be required to improve their portion of the road when the other properties develop. Otherwise, there would be a small portion of road developed with no access.to it with a performance bond. Commissioner Comstock: Also, several of the comments that came up from the public regarding inspections to make sure that they are in compliance with air quality and ground water quality drainage. Can I just have you tell me so that the public can hear what are the options so that someone who doesn't'know, do they call the City on that or do they call AQMD. Who do they J call if they have some plights regarding those issues. Planning Technician Gollihar: The residents would then call the Water Quality Control Board with their concerns with regard to water quality and the Air Quality Management District with air quality concerns. Both agencies are fairly prompt and have the proper equipment to check and to make sure things are taken care of. Planning Director Koontz: Or they would call City of Grand Terrace Code Enforcement and we would call out to other Code Enforcement agencies. Commissioner Comstock: Would that be a first call, or would we call the air quality control? 16 Planning Director Koontz: There is two approaches, directly calling the State agencies and reporting these kind of issues or calling Code Enforcement. Our Code Enforcement officer would go and investigate the situation. And if necessary, they would call air quality agencies to get some assistance. Commissioner Comstock: Just by way of a comment, it appears to me that this company is trying to be as conscientious of being a good neighbor as they can. They are trying to take care of all of these issues so I am looking at this and thinking that the residential neighbors would call the company and say they are having some problems with dust blowing up or something and nothing is done, 'it seems to me that they need to be able to do something about it if they can't get any satisfaction by the company directly. That's all of my questions. Thank you. Commissioner Bidney: An issue has just arisen in relationship to the.dedication of the easement that fronts this five acres of property. The other 30 feet that would be dedicated to the north has a power line on it evidently. Which means that there isn't going to be a 60 foot street there in the future. Everything that we are talking about tonight is in the future. All of this is taken care of in future, and I don't believe too much in the future because they don't have it the way we think they should have it. So I have a very tough time. I'm on this Commission because I have been appointed by the City Council to protect the City of Grand Terrace. I am riot against it. I am strictly 100% for private property, and people doing what the zoning requirements are and everything, but there are certain issues here where I have a hard time convincing myself that this is the right project at this time to continue. It seems to me that there are a lot of issues that have to be addressed. With good conscience, I cannot go any further on this until a lot of stuff is put together. Thinking of things that are going to happen in the future doesn't please me as a Commissioner protecting the City of Grand Terrace and it's residents. have heard the Adventures Center Project, and the motor home project, and all of this is for the - good of the City of Grand Terrace. We all have our idiosyncrasies where we want certain things done but my position here is to do what I think is right for the City of Grand Terrace and I don't. think that this is right at this time. Vice Chair Addington: Bob, I agree with you that this needs to be a stand alone project and no one has ever presented anything to this Commission as to what could be going out additional industrial development in the future. I had brought up about six issues at the last meeting, and I feel that five of the six.issues have been addressed. Some that everyone in this room needs to consider is the proposal that's going in, this Manhole Builders; it meets the zoning and is a non conforming use. In that respect, they are entitled to that use of this property. Commissioner Bidney: That may be true but I am hearing at the same time we have a traffic control problem. Who is going to enforce all of these trucks going into Terrace Road and going over and Vivienda, Walnut, Burns and coming out on the other side. It's going to take money from the City of Grand Terrace. All of these people work and are raising families, they are going to have to call the Sheriffs Department. I don't feel comfortable with that. , Vice Chair Addington: You bring up a good point. The applicant tonight did note that they are planning on handling the traffic for their business, and looking at it and how they described it sounded very reasonable. As far as enforcing of it, all commercial vehicles are allowed in residential neighborhoods. The one thing that we would have to do is look at the signage program to prohibit those types of commercial trucks in that neighborhood. But I did like that fact that the applicant is willing to re-direct their own trucks away from the residential neighborhoods. 17 Commissioner Bidney: That will happen for a time, and then other development will come in to the area, and there will be more trucks, and we don't have any infrastructure to take care of that. I don't know if the City of Grand Terrace will be doing anything on the west side of the freeway. So I don't know what they are going to do over there now. I do not see any money allocated for any of this. I truthfully cannot go along with this. I am sorry. Commissioner Comstock: Looking at that electrical transmission line, whatever it is, and thinking about, I know we have several parcels in that area zoned M2 and thinking of one of the comments about doing some sort of master plan to make sure that we have our infrastructure taken care of properly, has staff had any discussion of doing some sort of master plan for that area? Planning Director Koontz: That item was brought up a couple of meetings ago at a City Council meeting where someone from the general public had asked if a master plan was being prepared for that area. What the City Council was proposing to do, well, they have not told me. Commissioner Comstock: Regarding this electrical transmission line and I'm not familiar with the area, I have driven down there several times, but as it was mentioned, I am just not seeing it for some reason. Maybe we.ought to move to continue this meeting for another month to check out this area. If we are going to have a street dedicated and not be able to build the other half of the street to me it doesn't seem like it's accomplishing much. Planning Director Koontz: In response to that, why don't we call up Mr. Hodgeden, since he is the owner of the adjacent property,and has proposed this issues and ask him what he would do with this and what his up front commitment would be to it. Vice Chair Addington: Mr. Hodgeden would you approach the podium? (Vice Chair re-opened the public hearing). Warner Hodgeden: I thought that I had made myself clear when I was trying to impress everything into a short presentation. We want to be positive and what I was trying to do is bring a positive light that the power line would be addressed because it's in everybody's best interest, and I'm not speaking selfishly, but in my experience in development all of my life. I think that it should be addressed on the power lines, and we would be willing to go into an agreement, i.e. the City of Grand Terrace and the Applicant as quickly as possible to dedicate all our side of the road out to Terrace Road and put in our improvements, etcetera; I am just guessing probably 700 feet and including a cul-de-sac as it ends so that it is properly addressed for the existing residential. People that are non-conforming it makes good fire access for them, and gets all of the sewer, sewer, water, lighting and landscaping in. We would be more than willing to do that and cooperate with the applicant and even go so far as to trying to talk with the landscape contractor, in which he has bought the other property at Vivienda and Grand Terrace Road to go into agreement with them as well. We're positive in anything that you want to do. Commissioner Comstock: I'm fishing for information here, but that power pole transmission line, is that smack dab in the middle between your property line and the applicant's property line? Warner Hodgeden: I believe that it is and I've looked at the last stake, I believe for the corner that I believe that is the applicant's and not ours because we have surveyed the area, and have done all of the topography on the entire 50 acres and have done all of the soils tests for liquefaction and so on to build a building. Our entire site is power lines, and it would have an additional 30 feet on their side. With the exception we'll dedicated anything that we can. We're not saying dedicate it over that way and get out of paying for half. We will pay for our half and 18 work with anybody to get the total improvements done. By the time they do the engineering and go through the process, it will take a year to do that, and in the meantime, we will also be trying to submit our plans to the City for the full improvements of Terrace Avenue, and do the underpass. Vice Chair Addington: So you're proposing a development of your 50 acres then? Warner Hodgeden: Yes, we are going to go forward, we just haven't had it very long. discussed the jest of things in general with Mr. Koontz, and was probably 30 days off on giving the general concept. We're going to go as fast we can on the full improvements as I have previously explained which I think is a positive for everybody. Fire protection, primary and secondary access and we're even going on with the topo clear on up to the Stater Bros. corner which is Walnut with curb and gutter from Barton Road to Walnut so that we can do the conceptual engineering plans to know what it takes and the grades for the extension of that street. In looking at the corner of Barton Road and into where it goes westerly to La Cadena which is just about to be signalized. Vice Chair Addington: Thank you. I appreciate your input. Stacey Jaureguy: I would like to know if it's possible instead of it being a continuance over this issue, if it can be a condition for approval that there be enough room for the agency to prove the size of the street that they needed in order to have access in and out, rather than continuing it to another month. Commissioner Comstock: I don't know if we are prepared at this time to be able to define the condition for approval. I would not be prepared to be able to find a condition for approval. I am not against the project, but I am in favor of common sense and trying to develop with common sense, and it doesn't make sense to be able to approve a project where we wouldn't be able to install a street because of a power pole, or transmission line or whatever it may be that's standing right in the middle of the road. Stacy Jaureguy: But just like all those other conditions, those have to be met or the project cannot go through. Vice Chair Addington: Yes. You are correct. Please limit your comments to three minutes and please provide new information only. Okay, my name is Rich and I live down there at the bottom facing that property I have been there for forty years, my address is 11701 Terrace Avenue, the only address on Terrace Avenue. My front door faces that property and we've always had horses down there and it's been a nice place to live. My front door is about 40 feet from their property line. How would you like to have something like that in your front yard? Would you like that if you have been there forty years where it's been agriculturally zoned and now all of a sudden, somebody like you has pulled the agricultural zoning off of there. I am a civil engineer myself. I retired fourteen years ago and worked for the County of San Bernardino, and I've built roads and bridges in San Bernardino County. I'm telling you that they are not putting that business in my front yard, and you can take it or leave it, I don't care how you look at it, but they are not going to do it. And know the same as you are, and I don't know who you are or who is paying you off, but you're not putting that in my front yard. Vice Chair Addington: Thank you for your comments. At this point we will go ahead and close the public hearing. Do you have any other questions for Staff? Commissioner Comstock, 19 concerning the power lines, roads can always be built around power lines. One of the things that the applicant has offered and the way I heard is that they are willing to dedicate the 60 feet on their property. That is one way around the power line. If that occurs whenever the next business comes in which is adjacent, they would have to'dedicate the 60 feet at that point also. I still have a concern with the air quality management issues, so at this point I would like to make a couple of motions here. The first motion I would like to make is the applicant go ahead and dedicate the property as required by the City Staff for the future road even if that is greater than 30 feet. MOTION PC-23-2005: Motion was made by Vice Chair Addington to require that the Applicant dedicate the property as required by the City Staff for the future road even if that is greater than 30 feet. Commissioner Comstock seconded the motion. MOTION VOTE PC-23-2005: Approved 2-1-2-0 Commissioner Bidney voting No Chair Wilson Absent Commissioner Whitley Absent MOTION PC-24-2005: Vice Chair Addington made a motion to re-word Condition Five to remove the three options of aggregate base, slag base or asphalt grindings and replace it with asphalt driveways capable of H2O Loading. Commissioner Comstock seconded the motion MOTION VOTE PC-24-2005: Approved 2-1-2-0 Commissioner Bidney voting No Chair Wilson Absent Commissioner Whitley Absent MOTION PC-25-2005: Vice Chair Addington made a motion to approve SA-05-06 and E-05-04 with the added Conditions. .Commissioner Comstock seconded the motion. MOTION VOTE PC-25-2005: Approved 2-1-2-0 Commissioner Bidney voting No Chair Wilson Absent Commissioner Whitley Absent 3. SA-05-10, E-05-05 CUP-05-05: Construct an approximately 3,000 square foot, fast food Mexican restaurant with a drive-thru and outside patio eating area. 20 APPLICANT: SDG Investments LOCATION: 22193 - 22237 Barton Road in the City of Grand Terrace (A rectangular shaped parcel of about .6 of an acre located on the south side of Barton Road about 750 feet easterly of Michigan Street. The proposed site has a depth of 108 feet and a width of 262 feet.) RECOMMENDATION: Open the Public Hearing, receive the staff report and testimony, close the hearing and approve the Resolution calling for the approval of SA-05-10, CUP-05-05 and E-05-15 based on the findings in the Resolution of Approval and subject to the recommended conditions of approval. Associate.Planner Lampe greeted the Commission and gave his staff report. Three applications have been filed for a Miguel Jr.'s restaurant with a drive thru and an outside dining area. The Site and Architectural Review is for the building layout of the project. The Conditional Use Permit is for the proposed drive thru. The environmental assessment is to do with the environmental evaluation of the project in conformance with the California Environmental Quality Act. The subject site is located on the south side of Barton Road, approximately 750 feet easterly of the intersection of Barton Road and Michigan Avenue. The easterly portion of the site slopes towards Barton Road. The westerly portion of the site slopes downward away from Barton Road to the southwest. The site presently consists of four separate parcels. The three westerly parcels are developed as single family residential structures. The most easterly parcel is presently vacant and is owned by the City Redevelopment Agency. The surrounding area is developed as scattered single family residential uses that are non-conforming on the Barton Road Specific Plan. Farther to the west it is zoned Commercial and farther to the northeast and west along Canal Street, it is zoned commercial. This area is categorized as General Commercial. This particular category does permit fast food restaurants but requires a CUP for a drive thru. The Commission may recall that this project has been brought before the body twice before. The original project that was heard in December of 2003, was on the two parcels immediately west of the subject site. The developer of the commercial center of this area asked if the Miguel's could be relocated about 750 feet to the east next to the Gage Canal, next to the entrance to the Terrace Assisted Living Hotel. At that February, 2005 meeting, there were quite a few residents who were not in favor of having the restaurant in that location. The developer of the commercial center wishing to be a good neighbor had agreed to once again move the location. A lot line adjustment will have to be made to accommodate this project. This condition has been recommended by staff and has been included in the conditions of approval. The proposed site plan shows the location of the 3,000 square foot fast food restaurant. The main entrance will be on the easterly side of the building with an additional pedestrian access and another entrance on the northerly side of the building. The service side of the building will 21 be on the south elevation facing away from Barton Road. The westerly elevation will contain the entrance to the drive thru. An additional preview menu board will also be utilized to speed up the ordering process. Parking will be provided to meet the zoning code standards for the amount of parking. The layout size and dimensions of the maneuvering area, etc. all meet the development standards of the City's development code. The westerly lot will contain 26, and the easterly lot will have 14 parking spaces. Access to the site will be provided by utilization of the main entrance to the future commercial center. The developer for the commercial center is committed to build the driveway. In addition, there will be a 25 foot driveway located along the southerly boundary of the Miguel's Jr. Site. A reciprocal access parking agreement will be signed by Miguel's and the adjacent developers._ The applicant has submitted a preliminary landscaping plan which will be integrated into the landscaping of the adjacent area of the overall commercial development. The Staff recommends that all trees and shrubs along Barton Road be sufficient to screen the glare and headlights of cars using the drive thru at night. Staff has also required that the minimum tree sizes for all trees along Barton Road be 36 inches in size. The elevations show signage on various locations of the building. There will be a separate sign program for the signage of the project, both with signs on the building and a monument sign that have been illustrated on the plans of the building. A color materials board has also been submitted. The project is categorical exempt under the Class 32 Categorical Exemption which is allowed by the California Environmental Quality Act. The Staff has prepared a Resolution of Approval in support of this application with findings to support the Site and Architectural Review and the Conditional Use Permit as required by the Zoning Code. Associate Planner Lampe concluded that the Staff does recommend that the Planning Commission approve the proposed Miguel's Jr. Fast food restaurant with conditions. Vice Chair Addington opened up the Public Hearing. Javier Vasquez-Applicant 1920 Frontage Road- Corona Mr. Vasquez greeted the Commission and is in the hopes that this is the last time that he will have to appear before the Planning Commission. It is his intent to improve the neighborhood and try to cooperate with the City by choosing a desirable location. Lou Ann Archbold 12218 Pascal Ms. Archbold is concerned with regard to the Miguel's and the other development that will be put in the area. She is concerned with regard to traffic, noise and air quality. Ms. Archbold would like to know why a drive thru is needed in Grand Terrace. 22 Patricia Farley 12513 Michigan Ms. Farley has concerns with regard to the project being treated as a separate project from a whole specific plan. Ms. Farley feels that the entire project must come before the citizens rather than approving Miguel's as a single entity. Vice Chair Addington closed the Public Hearing. Vice Chair Addington asked with regard to the proposed project, is it located within the Barton Road Specific Plan and does it have old environmental issues that were addressed long ago. Planning Director Koontz replied that there was an environmental assessment done when the Barton Road Specific Plan was done last year. The original Miguel's was approved and it was before there was any talk of a Town Square Project. Once a developer for the Town Square Project came to the City, is when. the restaurant was moved around. Miguel's was already approved as a stand alone use, knowing that some day there would be a shopping center located in that area. Should the town square project come to fruition, the master developer will be responsible for mitigating anything that will be generated for the Town Square Project. At this point, there is no formal application for the Town Square Project. -It is very difficult to make an environmental assessment with something that has not been formally submitted. It may be months before anything in relation to the Town Square Project will be brought before the Commission. At this time, the proposed project is a stand alone project. Commissioner Bidney wanted to know if a drive thru is required to go around the entire building. Planning Director Koontz replied that the applicant could answer that question with regard to the drive thru. Javier Vasquez-Applicant 1920 Frontage Road-Corona Mr. Vasquez replied that the difference between the site and the previously proposed site is that possible stacking was going to interfere with the drive aisle. The new design is to make sure that the stacking will not interfere with the traffic flow. The wrap around design has been very successful with other Miguel's restaurants. Vice Chair Addington asked if there was any criterion for stacking on drive thru's in the Ordinance. l Associate Planner Lampe replied that he was not aware of any such criteria. Commissioner Comstock wanted to know if the driveway would be long enough for larger trucks to pull in to the drive thru area. Associate Planner Lampe replied that one of the Conditions requires the traffic engineer to review that the drive thru will be sufficient for all types of traffic and vehicles. 23 MOTION PC-26 2005: Commissioner Bidney made a motion to approve SA-05-10 and CUP-05-05 and E-05-15 with the Conditions as specified. Commissioner Comstock seconded the motion MOTION VOTE PC-26 2005: 3-0-2-0 Chair Wilson Absent Commissioner Whitley Absent 4. SA-05-09, E-05-14: Applications for a Site and Architectural and Environmental Review to construct a 1,339 square foot room addition to an existing 1,931 square foot, single story residence on a 10,804 square foot lot located in the R1-7.2 Zone (Single Family Residential minimum 7,200 square feet). APPLICANT: Garrett Montoya LOCATION: 22777 Fairburn in the City of Grand Terrace RECOMMENDATION: Open the public hearing, receive testimony, close the public hearing and approve SA-05-09 and E-05-14 with conditions. Planning Technician Gollihar greeted the Commission and presented his staff report. The applicant is requesting the approval of a site and architectural review to construct a 1,339 square foot room addition to an existing 1,931 square foot single story residence on a 10,804 square foot lot located in the R1-7.2 Zone. The City Zoning Code requires the filing of a site and architectural review application for the construction of a room addition to an existing residence if the room addition exceeds 65% of the original living space. The subject site is located within an existing residential development that is Zoned R1-7.2. The average size of the homes in the surrounding area is approximately 1,500 square feet ranging from 1,200 to 2,600 square feet. This addition will be in the back of the,house and will not be noticeable from the street. The site is located in the LDR (Low Density Residential) category of the General Plan. It is Zoned R1-7.2, which is single family residential -at a minimum of 7,200 square feet. The requested use is to construct a 1,339 square foot room addition to an existing 1,931 square foot single story residence at this location and it is consistent with the City's General Plan and Zoning Ordinance. The site plan consists of existing 1,931 square feet residence with 1,488 square feet of livable space and a 443 square foot 2-car garage with a 1,339 square foot room addition located in the R1-7.2 Zone. The residence will now cover approximately 30% of the lot, which is well within the 40% maximum coverage allowed in the R1-10 Zoning district. The lot is pre-graded with an existing residence. All storm water around the house will drain from the rear of the house to the driveway. 24 The landscape plan shows the existing conditions. It is in staffs opinion that there is a sufficient amount of landscaping for the front yard but there is one street tree that is required and will need to be added prior to final occupancy. A final landscape plan will be required and approved by the Community Development Director prior to issuance of building permits. Planning Technician Gollihar concluded his Staff Report. Vice Chair Addington asked what the square footage of the livable space was. Planning Technician Gollihar replied that the livable space is 1,488 square feet of livable space with a 443 square foot 2-car garage. Vice Chair Addington asked if there were any other houses within the area that are that large and existent in the neighborhood. Planning Technician Gollihar replied currently there are three homes in the area that are 2,500+ square feet in size. The majority of the homes in the area are 1,200 to 1,700 square feet. Vice Chair Addington asked if the rooflines matched with the rest of the existing roof lines. Planning Technician Gollihar replied that there has been a slight alteration to the roof line. Commissioner Bidney asked if the roof area was going to be redesigned. Planning Technician Gollihar replied that the ridge line will be moved over to the middle of the house and rise about 3 to 4 feet higher. Commissioner Comstock wanted to add that a friend of his owns a home about two houses away and the house is 2,600 square feet. Vice Chair Addington opened up the Public Hearing and invited the applicant to speak. Garrett Montoya -Applicant 22777 Fairburn Drive Mr. Montoya greeted the Commission and thanked them for hearing his application. He has lived in Grand Terrace for six years and because he has a growing family, he would like to expand and plans on staying in Grand Terrace for years to come. Vice Chair Addington closed the Public Hearing MOTION PC-27-2005: Commissioner Comstock made a motion to approve SA-05- 09, E-05-14. Commissioner Bidney seconded the motion MOTION VOTE PC-27-2005: 3-0-2-0 Chair Wilson Absent Commissioner Whitley Absent 25 ADJOURN SITE AND ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD/PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 9:30 Pm CONVENE PUBLIC WORKSHOP SESSION • Information to Commissioners Town Square Project Planning Director Koontz wanted to give a status with regard to the Town Square Project. At this time, the Planning Department does not have an application or a planned project to present as yet. The Outdoor Adventures Center had workshops because it was a City sponsored project, and the assistance of the Commission was requested. The. Town Square Project is a private project by a private developer. At this time, no grading, drainage, architectural, or landscape plans have been submitted. Over the passed year, a dozen different designs have been shown. At this point, once the developer has decided to formally apply through the Planning Department, it will remain to be seen what will come about the Town Square Project. The developer has been talking to Lowes and Stater Bros., but there is nothing definite. The announcements that were made with regard to the Town Center Project were announced from the City Manager's and the Assistant City Manager's Department. It was the developer's idea to have a town style meeting to get input from the surrounding neighbors. The developer has been instructed to do a focused EIR involving traffic, air and noise. At this point, it is to our knowledge that the developer is doing these items before submitting an application. The developer has not notified anyone when he will be submitting a formal application. Vice Chair Addington asked with regard to the rendering that was passed around, it seems that the developer has proposed a lot of parking along the southerly end of the proposed Town Square Project, is there any knowledge of the developer installing landscaping or walls to cover the area. Planning Director Koontz replied that he has been told that they are planning on installing sound walls and landscaping. Vice Chair Addington asked with regard to signalization, has that been talked about? Planning Director Koontz replied that the developer has been told that there should be signalization at the main entrance to the project, which is where the Miguel's will be located. There will also be a signal at Commerce and Michigan Streets. Commissioner Comstock asked when Sav On will break ground. Planning Director Koontz replied that they will be breaking ground within the next three weeks. A lease agreement for the land has been signed and they are currently paying for it and have been paying for it for some time. Commissioner Bidney wanted to know what the status was for the proposed office buildings just east of the City Hall. 26 Planning Director Koontz replied that they are currently in plan check. • Information from Commissioners None ADJOURN PUBLIC WORKSHOP SESSION 9:40 PM NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO BE HELD ON JULY 21. 2005 Respectfully Submitted, Approved By, Gary K6ontz, Pldv(ning Director at `w AdZ onAlice Chairman Pla ping Cossion 27