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03/07/1991GRAND TERRACE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING MARCH 7, 1991 The regular meeting of the Grand Terrace Planning Commission was called to order at the Grand Terrace Civic Center, 22795 Barton Road, Grand Terrace, California, on March 7, 1991 at 7:00 p.m. by Chairman Jerry Hawkinson. PRESENT: Jerry Hawkinson, Chairman Dan Buchanan, Vice -Chairman Stanley Hargrave, Commissioner Ray Munson, Commissioner Jim Sims, Commissioner Fran Van Gelder, Commissioner Ron Wright, Commissioner David Sawyer, Community Development Director Maria Muett, Assistant Planner Maggie Barder, Planning Secretary Joe Kicak, City Engineer Alan Burns, City Attorney ABSENT: None PLEDGE: Jim Sims, Commissioner PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP CONVENED AT 6:30 P.M. Information from staff to Planning Commissioners. Information from Planning Commissioners to staff. PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP ADJOURNED AT 7:00 P.M. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CONVENED AT 7:00 P.M. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION: None. ITEM #1 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES - FEBRUARY 21, 1991 MOTION PCM-91-41 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES - FEBRUARY 21, 1991 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-41 Vice -Chairman Buchanan made a motion to approve the February 21, 1991 Planning Commission Meeting minutes. Commissioner Sims second. Motion carries. 5-0-1-1. Commissioner Hargrave absent. Chairman Hawkinson abstained. ITEM #2 TTM-89-04; E-89-01 RICHARD IL CHURCHWELL 23081 GRAND TERRACE ROAD G.T. AN APPLICATION FOR A TENTATIVE TRACT MAP TO SUBDIVIDE 4.9+ ACRES IN THE R1-10 DISTRICT INTO 9 RESIDENTIAL LOTS OF 10,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM; NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR TTM-89-04 The Community Development Director presented the staff report. Commissioner Sims stated that he would be abstaining. 7:05 P.M. OPENED PUBLIC HEARING TERRY MARTINEZ 22950 ARLISS DRIVE G.T. Ms. Martinez stated she would like to see the Eucalyptus trees preserved and that this be made a condition. She was opposed to the elevations of the pads, especially Pad 1, which is right in front of her house. She said the pad will 0 start 9' above their front yard, and the house will be on top of that, and if it is two-story, there will be about 20' of house. She said Pad 4 is higher than that. She expressed concern about the drainage. She presented a statement from her next door neighbor who was unable to attend, Edith Crinklaw of 22940 Arliss Drive. Ms. Crinklaw was opposed to having the Eucalyptus trees removed and was concerned about the grading. ROMAYNE CHINNOCK 22935 ARLISS DRIVE G.T. Mr. Chinnock was concerned about the Eucalyptus trees and the elevation of Lot 1. He said that the topography of the natural land is significantly altered by the tentative tract map. He said that the pad to the east of his house is not significantly different, as his house is at 1158' and the pad calls for 1163'. He said that his swimming pool is at an elevation of 1148', and from the pool to the east there is a downward slope, but the pad is at 1160' as it is presently called out for. He felt that if they approved it at 1160' and they put a two- story house on it, this would be a tremendous barrier and would bring about a 10% devaluation to his property, according to one appraiser. He expressed concern about the drainage flowing toward his property. AARON MARTINEZ 22950 ARLISS DRIVE G.T. Mr. Martinez expressed concern about the drainage. He presented Mr. Churchwell's and Mr. Petta's maps combined to show how many lots drain toward the low point. He also expressed concern about the pad elevations. ROBERT WUNNER 22959 GRAND TERRACE ROAD G.T. Mr. Wunner stated that he is affected the most by this project but is in favor of it, feeling that Mr. Churchwell will adjust the minor points. TONY PETTA 11875 ETON DRIVE G.T. Mr. Petta was satisfied that this project meets all the requirements, and felt the Planning and Engineering Departments would be very protective toward the neighbors. C ROMAYNE CHINNOCK 22935 ARLISS DRIVE G.T. Mr. Chinnock expressed concern that what is approved tonight will be followed by the Planning and Engineering Departments. RICHARD CHURCHWELL 23081 GRAND TERRACE ROAD G.T. Mr. Churchwell stated that he will commit to letting the Eucalyptus trees remain. He stated that they realigned the lots because of complaints of possible through traffic, and in so doing, they did raise the elevation of Lot 1. He said that he would commit to work to significantly reduce the height of the lot in the grading plan, stating that there is no reason it could not drain to the side to the drainage easement. He said that the drainage must meet code. 7:29 P.M. CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING Chairman Hawkinson brought the item back to the commission. He asked the City Engineer if there would be problems with the submitted elevations. The City Engineer stated that it can be handled from the engineering standpoint, but he felt this issue the neighbors are addressing are aesthetics, and they will enforce whatever the Planning Commission and Planning Department decide. RICHARD CHURCHWELL 23081 GRAND TERRACE ROAD G.T. Mr. Churchwell asked if the commission had any questions. Commissioner Wright stated that the road is proposed as it goes north and asked if the elevation is higher there so that the drainage above the property would come down through the easement or if it would go down to Grand Terrace Road. Mr. Churchwell said a portion would come south, as the elevation rises toward Grand Terrace Road. 4 Vice -Chairman Buchanan asked if the utilities would be undergrounded. The City Engineer said they could insert it as a condition, but it is part of their ordinance so it wouldn't make any difference. Chairman Hawkinson brought the item back to the commission for action. Commissioner Van Gelder asked for the City Engineer's comments on the drainage. The City Engineer saw no major problems, stating that they are talking about 5 acres on this subdivision and additional acres that would be tributary, a small portion of the tract to the south. He said that under the worst conditions, if they had 10 acres total contribution of single family residential, they might be talking about a maximum of 20 cubic feet per second, which would be pretty bad conditions. He felt the capacity of Arliss would be closer to 40 or 50 c.f.s. in that area. He said that a portion of the tract to the south will drain southerly along the proposed roadway on top of the aqueduct, and will eventually drain onto Preston to Barton Road and into the storm drain system. Commissioner Van Gelder asked what bearing this drainage would have on the area that would affect the Martinez residence. The City Engineer stated none, as their pad is considerably higher than Arliss. He said that the water can be carried in a street section without topping the curb. Commissioner Wright asked if there was a minimum distance the road has to be above the pipeline. The City Engineer said this would be controlled by the California Department of Water Resources. Commissioner Wright asked about alternative lighting standards. The City Engineer stated that they tell the Edison company the street lighting plan that is approved, and they contract for the installation of those lights, and the developer pays Edison directly. He did not know if there were alternatives provided by Edison, but they could investigate this. He said that the illumination should be the same, no matter what style of light is installed. Vice -Chairman Buchanan asked staff for proposed language for the conditions they are adding. 5 The Community Development Director recommended an additional condition that the Eucalyptus trees on the western border of Lots 1 and 2 shall be preserved unless written approval is given by the Planning Department prior to removal of said trees or any other action which would result in substantial damage to said trees. MOTION PCM-91-42 TTM-89-04, E-89-01 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-42 Vice -Chairman Buchanan made that motion as Condition 10. Commissioner Hargrave second. Commissioner Hargrave asked if they were proposing to keep the dead trees on the southerly end of this tree line. The Community Development Director stated that they can just make this common knowledge. Vice -Chairman Buchanan stated that they had imposed a condition on the Petta project that a Pepper Tree be preserved, but he wasn't sure which property it was on, and on Lot 7 and 8, there are existing, mature trees, and he would like to recommend they be preserved where feasible. The Community Development Director suggested this as a separate condition. He also suggested adding to the current motion, "mature and healthy" Eucalyptus trees on the western border. Vice -Chairman Buchanan and Commissioner Hargrave concurred. Motion carries. 6-0-0-1. Commissioner Sims abstained. MOTION PCM-91-43 TTM-89-049 E-89-01 Vice -Chairman Buchanan made a motion to add Condition 11, which would stated that as to the remaining mature and healthy trees within the project, they should be preserved where feasible consistent with the necessary grading requirements. Commissioner Hargrave second. 6 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-43 Motion carries. 6-0-0-1. Commissioner Sims abstained. MOTION PCM-91-44 TTM-89-043, E-89-01 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-44 Vice -Chairman Buchanan made a motion that Condition 8, regarding the submittal of an erosion plan, be amended to require that the plan also be submitted to the Planning Department for approval. Commissioner Hargrave second. Motion carries. 6-0-0-1. Commissioner Sims abstained. Commissioner Van Gelder asked if these conditions would continue on even if the property is passed along to someone else. The Community Development Director stated that these conditions are the tentative tract map conditions, and the applicant will be required to meet all the conditions as part of the recordation of the final map and any of the conditions that would then be carried as restrictions on the property would be part of the recorded record. He said that the grading of the lots will be as they are approved. He said to keep in mind that these homes, per the first condition, are subject to Site and Architectural Review, as this is a standard requirement whether conditioned or not. He said that neighbors will be notified for public hearings. Commissioner Van Gelder asked about the lighting. Vice -Chairman Buchanan stated that on the Petta project, they had a motion approved that the City Engineer consider alternative street lighting with a focus toward a more rural atmosphere if possible. MOTION PCM-91-45 TTM-89-04, E-89-01 7 Commissioner Van Gelder made a motion add as Condition 12 that the City Engineer consider alternative street lighting with a focus toward a more rural atmosphere if possible. Vice -Chairman Buchanan second. MOTION VOTE PCM-91-45 Motion carries. 6-0-0-1. Commissioner Sims abstained. MOTION PCM-91-46 TTM-89-04, E-89-01 Vice -Chairman Buchanan made a motion to add as Condition 13 that utilities be undergrounded. MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF SECOND. Vice -Chairman Buchanan asked the Community Development Director for a suggestion regarding the pad elevation. The Community Development Director stated they can make a recommendation to the Council that if at all possible, the elevations, of Lot 1 in particular, be lowered. He said they may be as specific as they like as this is a recommendation to Council. MOTION PCM-91-47 TTM-89-04, E-89-01 Vice -Chairman Buchanan made a motion to add as Condition 13 that the pad elevation on Lot 1 be reduced to an elevation not to exceed 1152', which would be a reduction of 8'. Commissioner Hargrave second. Commissioner Van Gelder asked if the applicant had indicated he would go 10' lower. Vice -Chairman Buchanan was concerned about creating a difference in elevation for Lots 1 and 2 that becomes too dramatic or forces the pad on Lot 1 to be shifted north to a point where it interferes with the proposed drainage along the edge. The Community Development Director stated that dropping that elevation could domino all the pads, depending on the engineering aspects. Commissioner Wright said that if they went 10', this would put it down to the contour at the existing level, and they would need to have the lot higher so the water would drain into the easement. Vice -Chairman Buchanan stated that he was comfortable with 8'. Chairman Hawkinson said he would leave it the way it was submitted, allowing the engineer and the applicant look at it and see if it can be worked out between now and the time it goes to City Council. Commissioner Hargrave asked if they could make a general recommendation that the elevation of Pad 1 be as low as possible from and engineering standpoint. Vice -Chairman Buchanan stated that if the commission would rather state it in a general context, they should vote no on the motion. Commissioner Munson said he felt if it were impossible to lower Lot 1, then the applicant has the right to appeal to the Council, stating he would like the commission to stand at the 1152' mark. MOTION VOTE PCM-91-47 Motion carries. 4-2-0-1. Chairman Hawkinson and Commissioner Van Gelder voted no. Commissioner Sims abstained. MOTION PCM-91-48 TTM-89-04, E-89-01 Vice -Chairman Buchanan made a motion that the Planning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of TTM-89-04 and the Negative Declaration, E-89-01, subject to the conditions set forth in the staff recommendations and as amended tonight. Commissioner Hargrave second. Commissioner Wright stated that the termination of Arliss doesn't appear to be a logical ending to the street. He said that Lot 8 has a long driveway, and from a law enforcement and safety perspective, by isolating this pad so far back from the street, they have effectively eliminated natural surveillance from other lots. E7 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-48 Motion carries. 6-0-0-1. Commissioner Sims abstained. ITEM #3 TPM-87-03R1 WILLIS AND OPAL COOK 11917 ROSEDALE G.T. AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDED TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP TO SUBDIVIDE A 3.23 ACRE LOT IN THE R1-20 DISTRICT INTO TWO PARCELS The Community Development Director stated that the applicant has withdrawn this application. 8:15 P.M. TO 8:25 P.M. - RECESS ITEM #4 CUP-91-02 INLAND LUMBER/R.W. MFG. OF SO. CAL. 21850 MAIN STREET G.T. AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DUST COLLECTOR FOR AN EXISTING LUMBER COMPANY The Assistant Planner presented the staff report. Chairman Hawkinson asked about the supplemental staff report and the applicant's engineer feeling there may be some environmental problems with the location over the septic tank. He asked if this septic tank was operational. The City Engineer said he did not know, but the sewer was installed on Main Street in 1976, and if they are on septic tank, there should be of record an exemption from the Regional Water Quality Control Board to that effect. Vice -Chairman Buchanan asked about the hours of operation. The Community Development Director stated that they have not seen this applicant before. 10 The Assistant Planner stated that previously, there hours of operation for the filter had gone on as early as 6:00 a.m. and up to 10:00 p.m. per the applicant, however, she has heard different comments from property owners. Commissioner Hargrave asked what decibel level is allowed in this zone. The Assistant Planner said that in the nearby residential areas, anything between 60 and 65 decibels would be acceptable. Commissioner Hargrave asked if these decibel levels are in effect from 10:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. in this MR Zone, to which the Community Development Director responded in the affirmative. Commissioner Van Gelder asked how the decibel level would be known before it being installed. The Community Development Director stated that the applicant is to provide the information, then they must determine whether or not they are close. Commissioner Van Gelder felt they should get this in writing. Commissioner Wright asked how high the existing dust bin collector is. The Assistant Planner said it is almost 50'. The Community Development Director said that from his visual inspection, it appears to be approximately 50' high. Commissioner Wright asked why the applicant is locating this to the north and near the property line versus being more centrally located to the building. The Community Development Director stated only with regard to the septic tank, but the applicant is here to respond to that question. Commissioner Sims clarified that the taking of the decibels will be a condition of the Conditional Use Permit, which the Community Development Director verified. Vice -Chairman Buchanan asked where the existing dust collector is on the plans. The Assistant Planner indicated this on the plans. Commissioner Hargrave asked if there had been any complaints against the 11 existing dust collector. The Community Development Director said he didn't know of any complaints since he has been here. Commissioner Hargrave asked if there were any planning mitigation measures one can look at if the decibel level is to high. The Community Development Director said they would place a restriction on the hours of operation. Vice -Chairman Buchanan asked what the Fire Warden's Condition F28 regarding explosion vents and collectors referred to. Captain Jones stated that the drawings she saw did not indicate that they had them, and the Uniform Fire Code requires explosion vents. Vice -Chairman Buchanan asked what an explosion vent is. Captain Jones said that wood dust is very combustible, and if there was an explosion and the container was enclosed rather than with vents, it would react more violently as it couldn't vent itself. Commissioner Hargrave asked if their department has any experience with dust collectors with regard to certain brands being more explosive than others and if they have any statistics. Captain Jones said there are no statistics, but they did go out and condition Taylor Lumber's next door. Chairman Hawkinson called up the applicant. BOB WHEELER 15305 MANILLA FONTANA Mr. Wheeler said they are putting in an upgraded system to replace an outdated system, and the system they put in will be a blower system, which will have a primary and secondary separator as opposed to just a primary separator. He said this means when the material is collected and run through the blower, it will go up into a cyclone separator and drop the material into the bin and the fine dust will be collected with a filter collector, which collects not only dust but will act as a muffler on the system, so the decibel levels will probably drop about 35% from the existing system. He said that the 12 explosion venting will be noted on the drawing. Chairman Hawkinson asked if the manufacturer had any literature to shed light on the decibel readings. Mr. Wheeler stated that they all vary and it depends on the location and the area they go into, but it could be obtained as soon as the equipment is installed. Commissioner Sims asked why they chose the location. Mr. Wheeler stated they are usually installed close to the building, but the new equipment would have to be installed while the existing equipment is still operating so they don't have to shut down for two to three weeks. He said the only other location is where the septic tank is now located, stating that the septic tank does not take care of the office, but it handles a lavatory out in the mill. He said the only location left was on the other side of the railroad tracks as they have to run forklifts to unload the cars. Commissioner Van Gelder asked if the City has ever tested the decibel level of the facility, to which the Community Development Director responded in the negative. Commissioner Van Gelder asked if they were on the sewer system. Mr. Wheeler felt the office was probably on the sewer system, but the restroom for the mill is on the septic system. Commissioner Hargrave asked the cost of the new system. Mr. Wheeler said approximately $75,000. Commissioner Hargrave asked the difference in height of the new and existing collectors. Mr. Wheeler stated that the new one is probably 10' higher. Commissioner Hargrave asked if the workers who work around the collector are required to wear ear protection. Mr. Wheeler stated that all mills have this requirement. Vice -Chairman Buchanan asked the current hours of operation, and if there was any reason why the dust collector couldn't be operated within defined 13 hours of operation. Mr. Wheeler stated that they would want to operate within any legal time for operations, but if they have an excess of work, they would probably want to run a longer shift than an eight hour day. Vice -Chairman Buchanan asked if the dust collection system needs to operate simultaneous and in conjunction with the operation of the mill, to which Mr. Wheeler responded in the affirmative. 9:00 P.M. OPENED PUBLIC HEARING CHESTER EASTER 21963 TANAGER STREET G.T. Mr. Easter said he moved to Tanager Street in 1973, and he kept documentation and gone to City Council several times with regard to various issues with the lumber company. He said that he is one of the proponents of the current noise ordinance for the City and most of the wording is a result of his input. He said the hours of operation since 1973 have varied from 5:30 a.m to 12:00 a.m., and once they operated until 3:00 a.m. He said they do not do this continuously as it depends upon their work load. He said that the Noise Ordinance states there should be no noise between 10:00 p.m. and 7:00 a.m. He said the reason for the height being 60+ feet on the new facility is so they can clear the incoming railroad cars. He said they had a problem with the dust over the years and have complained, and the fine dust is a problem. He said that it is good for the soil and fertilizes the lawns. He said he welcomes this proposal, but he has a problem with the location, as it will be moved 55-60' north of the existing structure, which will put it more in line with an easterly direction of the comer residence at the end of Royal Street. He said that another problem with noise is with the trucks that come in and take the sawdust away, as they come and go whenever they please. He said he would like to see the site remain where it is. Mr. Easter said he called Inland Lumber, which is actually Thompson Equities, and he spoke with Tom Thompson's secretary who said that they are not the ones applying for this, but that it is Inland Timber. Mr. Easter said that in 1977 or 1978, the sewers were put in, and he doesn't believe the office was attached to that. He said that 6 or 7 years ago, they had the County of San Bernardino put a decibel meter in his backyard to read the decibels coming from the mill, and Inland Lumber Co. and Inland Timber Co. were notified that this was taking place and for the 24-48 hours the meter 14 was in his backyard, the mill did not operate. He said that he noticed the employees were not wearing ear protectors at the mill, so he called OSHA, who went to the mill and took readings and wrote them up for not having ear protectors for their employees. He said that this was 5-6 years ago and this was the last time OSHA was there. He said that Air Quality Control has been called many times because of the sawdust problem. 9:10 P.M. CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING MOTION PCM-91-49 CUP-91-02 Chairman Hawkinson brought this item back to the commission. Commissioner Van Gelder felt they need to consider the citizens who live close to the facility. She expressed concern about the septic tank and the decibel level. Commissioner Sims did not feel it needed to move closer to the residential areas. He felt there was a way the new collector could be installed closer to the existing one. Vice -Chairman Buchanan felt the decibel readings should be taken to make sure it is not noisier than the existing collector. Commissioner Van Gelder asked for clarification regarding the concern about the septic tank. The Assistant Planner stated that the applicant said that the present site where the existing filter collector is located is on a septic tank location area, and the engineer expressed concern, but did not formalize or go into detail. Vice -Chairman Buchanan felt they had an insufficient amount of information to make a decision as they don't know where the septic tank is that seems to be interfering and staff has not been provided with documentation regarding the sound level. He suggested continuing the item so the applicant could return with an alternative location plan or some definitive documentation of why there isn't an alternative as well as some documentation regarding this type of operation and sound levels that it generates. He also asked that the applicant come back with some comment regarding hours of operation. Vice -Chairman Buchanan made a motion to continue CUP-91-02 to the March 21, 1991 Planning Commission Meeting. Wi MOTION VOTE PCM-91-49 Chairman Hawkinson concurred, stating that there is no reason it couldn't go on its present site. He felt they should obtain decibel information but felt it could be done at the staff level. He did not agree with the proposed location. Commissioner Munson was against shutting down the mill for the employees' sake. He did concur that the item should be continued. Commissioner Sims agreed they shouldn't shut down the mill. Commissioner Munson second. Motion carries. 7-0-0-0. Chairman Hawkinson stated that the applicant needs to be aware that they are looking for some information and it might be a good idea to get a hold of the Planning Department to make sure there is no misunderstanding. ITEM #5 CUP-91-03 YOUNG ELECTRIC SIGN CO./RENALD ANELLE 21900 BARTON ROAD G.T. AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A FREEWAY SIGN FOR A COMMERCIAL CENTER AND R.V. PARK IN THE C-2 ZONE The Assistant Planner presented the staff report. Commissioner Hargrave asked if there was any relief in the ordinance that relates to the planter box. The Community Development Director stated they may eliminate this if they like. Commissioner Wright asked if staff was aware of any nonconforming signs in this project. The Community Development Director stated that other than a few window signs, there is one sign staff would like addressed, and that is the entry sign for the R.V. Park, which received a permit at one time but has been modified 16 since then and is no longer in compliance with that permit. Vice -Chairman Buchanan asked what staffs interpretation of the degree of flexibility they have in varying from the Sign Ordinance which states it may identify the center and two tenants. The Community Development Director stated that the Sign Ordinance was written so that, except for freeway signs, signs do not have to come before the Planning Commission. He said that it is written so that the Planning Department has set guidelines to deal with, however, if an applicant does not agree with the guidelines, they may apply and have the Site and Architectural Review Board consider it, so the commission has a great deal of flexibility. Vice -Chairman Buchanan asked if descriptive language is part of the name of the business, is it acceptable to have it on the sign. The Community Development Director stated that it is staffs recommendation that the sign be limited to Demetri's Restaurant or Demetri's and the R.V. Park. Commissioner Hargrave asked if the printing or set-up for these two major businesses has to be the same per the Sign Ordinance. The Community Development Director stated that the script does not have to be the same. Commissioner Sims asked who the sign is supposed to attract. The Community Development Director presented the angle of the sign, stating that the only point that you could see the sign would be traveling north on the 215 Freeway. Chairman Hawkinson called up the applicant. BRETT GRANLUND YOUNG ELECTRIC SIGN CO. 13544 SAN JUAN STREET YUCAIPA Commissioner Sims asked about the orientation of the sign. Mr. Granlund said that the artist basically takes a guess, and typically when you install a pole sign, you actually fine tune the positioning when placing it. 17 Commissioner Sims asked the purpose of the additional lettering. Mr. Granlund stated that Demetri's specialty is char -broiled burgers, and although he filed his fictitious name statement as "Demetri's Restaurant" he wants to call it Demetri's Char -Broiled Burgers. Commissioner Sims asked if the sign was of steady illumination, to which Mr. Granlund responded in the positive. Commissioner Sims asked what the hours of operation would be. Mr. Granlund stated this would be up to the operator. He stated that the purpose of signage is also to create awareness. Commissioner Sims asked about the effect of the illumination as there is a mobile home park close by. Mr. Granlund stated that externally illuminated signs throw off a lot of light, but an internally illuminated sign does not throw off much light outside of the sign itself, as it is not an exposed lamp. Commissioner Van Gelder asked if it was correct that the applicant did not want a planter at the base of the sign. Mr. Granlund stated that this is correct, as this particular area is different than the typical driveway entrance. He said that this is already a landscaped, lawn area, and putting a planter and bushes in would not only be an added expense but would make more of a maintenance problem. Commissioner Van Gelder asked if they were planning to take out the existing trees, to which Mr. Granlund responded in the negative. Commissioner Van Gelder felt the area was too crowded. Mr. Granlund stated that the sign will only be 25' high, which is 33% of the allowable height. Commissioner Van Gelder felt it was superfluous to put "Char -Broiled Hamburgers" on the sign as most restaurants have hamburgers. Mr. Granlund stated that his understanding is that the ordinance says you may identify the name of your business, and asked if they were to make the legal name of the business, "Demetri's Char -Broiled Hamburgers", would this be acceptable. 18 The Community Development Director said that if they are getting into a "Let's Make a Deal" situation, they should be aware that the code does not actually allow an interior lit sign, but it does have to be back lit where the only light emitting from the sign would be through the letters themselves, and this is not what is being proposed. He said that the commission does have the authority to approve it, just as they have the authority to approve "Demetri's Char -Broiled Hamburgers". Mr. Granlund expressed concern about the condition regarding the outdoor advertising permit being obtained,as the Outdoor Advertising Act exempts on premise signage from Cal Trans permits. He said that the Transportation Planning Branch is actually out of their jurisdiction to require a Cal Trans permit. He was concerned about how long it would take to get a letter back from Sacramento correcting the error. Commissioner Sims asked if there was a problem with taking care of the monument sign that is there now. Mr. Keeney said that a suggestion was made to paint the back and put a frame around it, so they painted the back and have not yet put the frame up yet. He said they are not trying to do anything illegal. The Community Development Director stated that this can be handled on a staff level, but they still need to modify the permit. Mr. Keeney said that when Demetri first came to them, he wanted to name the business "Jim's Whatta Steak", but he talked Mr. Demetri into calling it "Demetri's Char -Broiled Hamburgers", which is the name of his business. He said that he did not know if his fictitious business name is filed that way or not, but this is what he wants to promote. Chairman Hawkinson brought the item back to the commission. Vice -Chairman Buchanan asked staff to comment on the applicant's request regarding the planter and the Cal Trans permit. The Community Development Director said they can eliminate the planter if they would like, but staff felt it would be nicer if the pole was softened with some planter area. He said they do have in writing from Cal Trans that a permit is required, and they would need something in writing from Cal Trans saying it is not required in order to eliminate that. Mr. Granlund stated that the problem with putting bushes up against the pole is that there is a concrete footing, and it is difficult to grow bushes in the 19 concrete. 10:10 P.M. OPENED PUBLIC HEARING TONY PETTA 11875 ETON DRIVE G.T. Mr. Petta stated that business is difficult here and signage is the life blood of a business. 10:15 P.M. CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING MOTION PCM-91-50 CUP-91-03 Chairman Hawkinson brought the item back to the commission. Commissioner Hargrave made a motion to remove Condition #4, submittal of detailed landscaping, irrigation and lighting plans to the Planning Department for approval. MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF SECOND MOTION PCM-91-51 CUP-91-03 Commissioner Hargrave said that as a general rule of thumb, they should refer to the DBA filing. He had no problem with the size of the sign. Commissioner Van Gelder made a motion that Condition #7 not require a planter. Vice -Chairman Buchanan second. Commissioner Van Gelder felt there was no room for a planter. There was some discussion as to how this relates to Condition #4. Commissioner Van Gelder stated that Condition #4 includes lighting, which she didn't want to exclude, but stated they could word #4 accordingly. She asked what the size requirement of the planter is. The Community Development Director stated the size is required to be at 20 MOTION PCM-91-52 CUP-91-03 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-52 MOTION PCM-91-53 CUP-91-03 least the same size as one side of the sign face. He stated that this is mostly designed for areas going into a parking lot and not into an already landscaped area. Vice -Chairman Buchanan stated that grass could grow up to the edge of the pole, so he wouldn't have a problem eliminating the planter. Commissioner Sims clarified that Commissioner Van Gelder wanted to eliminate the planter requirement, but they would want to put grass back with the proper irrigation system. The Community Development Director stated that any irrigation or landscaping existing now will have to remain. He asked that the motion be clarified. Commissioner Van Gelder stated that the motion was to exclude everything in Condition #4 except the lighting which has to do with the sign itself. The Community Development Director recommended eliminating Condition #4 completely as the lighting portion is adequately covered under Condition #2. Commissioner Van Gelder withdrew her motion. Vice -Chairman Buchanan concurred. Commissioner Van Gelder made a motion to remove Condition #4. Commissioner Sims second. Motion carries. 6-1-0-0. Commissioner Munson voted no. Commissioner Van Gelder made a motion to add to Condition #1 that the planter box be deleted. Vice -Chairman Buchanan second. 21 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-53 MOTION PCM-91-54 CUP-91-04 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-54 Motion carries. 6-1-0-0. Commissioner Munson voted no. Commissioner Hargrave made a motion to add as Condition #7 that the name on the sign reflect the legal filing of the business entity as of the date prior to the permit being issued. The Community Development Director asked what this would be based on. The City Attorney stated that the intent is not to list products, but if the name of the product is an integral part of the business identification, i.e. Good Year Tires, this could be a distinction they might make. Commissioner Hargrave amended his motion to say that if it is an integral part of the name, then this would be the basis for allowing the signage to read not necessarily a legal filing. The Community Development Director suggested amending the motion to where they are making that determination for them. Commissioner Hargrave amended his motion that they allow the signage to read, "Demetri's Char -Broiled Hamburgers" based on the fact that it is an integral part of the business. Commissioner Sims second. Commissioner Van Gelder felt this wording to be tacky and cheap. Commissioner Sims felt the sign looks pleasant, and the applicant is doing what he feels will make his business successful. Commissioner Munson stated that he likes the sign as proposed and called for the question. Motion carries. 5-2-0-0. Vice -Chairman Buchanan and Commissioner Van 22 MOTION PCM-91-55 CUP-91-03 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-55 Gelder voted no. Commissioner Sims made a motion to approve CUP-91-03 as conditioned and amended. Vice -Chairman Buchanan second. Motion carries. 6-1-0-0. Commissioner Van Gelder voted no. ITEM #6 V-90-02; CUP-85-09R1 CDS ENGINEERING/BARTON 88 INVESTMENT ASSOCIATES 22325 BARTON ROAD G.T. AN APPLICATION FOR VARIANCE OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR AN EXISTING RETIREMENT HOTEL IN A C-2 ZONE; AN APPLICATION TO REVISE CUP-85-09 FOR AN EXISTING RETIREMENT HOTEL IN A C-2 ZONE Chairman Hawkinson stated that it has been requested that this item be continued to the next meeting. MOTION PCM-91-56 V-90-02, CUP-85-09R1 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-56 Commissioner Sims made a motion to continue V-90-02 and CUP-85-09R1 to the next Planning Commission Meeting. Vice -Chairman Buchanan second. Motion carries. 7-0-0-0. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT 10:44 P.M. 23 10:44 P.M. TO 10:56 P.M. - RECESS SITE AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD CONVENED AT 10:56 P.M. ITEM #7 SA-91-04 INLAND LUMBER/R.W. MFG. OF SO. CAL. 21850 MAIN STREET G.T. AN APPLICATION FOR SITE AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OF A DUST COLLECTOR FOR AN EXISTING LUMBER COMPANY MOTION PCM-91-57 SA-91-04 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-57 Vice -Chairman Buchanan made a motion to continue SA-91-04 to the March 21, 1991 Planning Commission Meeting. Commissioner Sims second. Motion carries. 7-0-0-0. ITEM #8 SA-91-05 YOUNG ELECTRIC SIGN CO./RENALD ANELLE 21900 BARTON ROAD G.T. AN APPLICATION FOR SITE AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OF A FREEWAY SIGN FOR A COMMERCIAL CENTER AND R.V. PARK IN THE C-2 ZONE MOTION PCM-91-58 SA-91-05 The Community Development Director recommended approval of SA-91-05 in light of the previous decision on the CUP for this item. Vice -Chairman Buchanan made a motion to approve SA-91-05 pursuant to the terms and conditions as approved for CUP-91-03. Commissioner Sims 24 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-58 second. Motion carries. 7-0-0-0. 6-1-0-0. Commissioner Van Gelder voted no. ITEM #9 SA-85-09R1; SA-87-08R1 CDS ENGINEERING/BARTON 88 INVESTMENT ASSOCIATES 22325 BARTON ROAD G.T. AN APPLICATION TO REVISE SITE AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEWS 85-09 AND 87- 08 FOR AN EXISTING RETIREMENT HOTEL IN A C-2 ZONE The Community Development Director requested this item be continued to the next Planning Commission Meeting as they are awaiting the title report regarding the easements in question. MOTION PCM-91-59 SA-85-09R1, SA-87-08R1 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-59 Commissioner Sims made a motion to continue SA-85-09R1 and SA-87-08R1 to the March 21, 1991 Planning Commission Meeting. Vice -Chairman Buchanan second. Motion carries. 7-0-0-0. ITEM #10 SA-91-01 BRUCE W. HALSTEAD, M.D. 23000 GRAND TERRACE ROAD G.T. AN APPLICATION FOR SITE AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OF A NEW STORAGE FACILITY TO BE LOCATED IN THE R1-20 DISTRICT. 25 MOTION PCM-91-60 SA-91-01 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-60 Chairman Hawkinson stated that the applicant's representatives requested this item be continued to the next meeting. The Community Development Director suggested adjourning tonight's meeting to 6:00 p.m. on March 21, 1991 to provide a time that the Planning Commission may go out to the site and conduct a portion of the workshop. Commissioner Sims made a motion to continue SA-91-01 to the March 21, 1991 Planning Commission Meeting, to convene at 6:00 p.m. at the site. Vice - Chairman Buchanan second. Motion carries. 7-0-0-0. ITEM #11 SA-90-29R1 PAUL AOYAGI/ELITE CONSTRUCTION 23020 DE BERRY G.T. AN APPLICATION FOR REVISION OF SA-90-29, SITE AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OF A ROOM ADDITION TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND 12' HIGH PATIO IN THE R1-7.2 DISTRICT The Assistant Planner presented the staff report. Chairman Hawkinson called up the applicant. PAUL AOYAGI 23020 DE BERRY G.T. Mr. Aoyagi stated that he discussed the project with his neighbors, and the neighbor above him asked that he shorten it some on the second floor, and after discussion with his wife, they decided to go to a one story. 11:06 P.M. OPENED PUBLIC HEARING 26 11:06 P.M. CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING MOTION PCM-91-61 SA-90-29R1 MOTION VOTE PCM-91-61 Chairman Hawkinson brought this item back to the commission. Commissioner Sims made a motion to approve SA-90-29R1 as conditioned. Commissioner Hargrave second. Motion carries. 7-0-0-0. SITE AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD ADJOURNED AT 11:07 P.M. NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO BE HELD MARCH 21, 1991, WITH THE WORKSHOP TO CONVENE AT 6:00 P.M. AT 23000 GRAND TERRACE ROAD. Respectfully submitted, David R. Sawyer Community Development Director 03-19-91 27 Approved by, ,terry Planning Commission