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04/20/1987GRAND TERRACE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING APRIL 20, 1987 The regular meeting of the Grand Terrace Planning Commission was called to order at the Grand Terrace Civic Center, 22795 Barton Road, Grand Terrace, California, on April 20, 1987, at 7:00 p.m. by Chairman, Norman Caouette. PRESENT: Norman Caouette, Chairman Jerry Hawkinson, Vice Chairman Gerald Cole, Commissioner Stanley Hargrave, Commissioner Ray Munson, Commissioner Fran Van Gelder, Commissioner ABSENT: NONE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE: I. MINUTES The minutes of the Planning Commission meeting of March 16, 1987 were presented. Chairman Caouette noted a typographical error in the last line on page one (1) of the minutes. The word "oriental" should read "directional". PCM-87-09 Motion by Vice Chairman Hawkinson, second by Commissioner Munson, that the minutes of the March 16, 1987 Planning Commission meeting be approved as amended. Commissioner Hargrave stated that in previous minutes a more detailed report of the discussion between the Planning Commissioners and applicant was provided. Commissioner Hargrave recalled having a more lengthly discussion with the applicants before the Architectural Design Review Board, John and Linda Costa. That dialog was not documented in the minutes. He asked if a new format for the minutes was being introduced. The City Attorney stated that this will not be the format for minutes in the future. In the future, the minutes will be taken by the City Clerk who will, undoubtedly, prepare the minutes in a format similar to the City Council minutes. He also noted that the tapes of the meeting are available if the Commissioners wished to review them. Motion PCM-87-09 carried, ALL AYES. Minutes The minutes of April 6, 1987 Planning Commission meeting were presented for discussion. Commissi-oner Hargrave noted that, in Item C, he voted against requiring the developer to stay with the original landscaping plans. The April 6, 1987 minutes indicate the motion passed with ALL AYES. Chairman Caouette stated it was his understanding that, rather than approval of revisions as presented by the applicant, it was actually a combination of keeping the landscaping as was approved along Barton Road frontage with the revisions proposed by the applicant to the interior of the project. He beli eves the motion is incorrect in all respects. Commissioner Hargrave pointed out his last name is not Hardgrave, it is Hargrave. The City Attorney suggested bringing these minutes back at the next meeting since there are several corrections that have to be made. The Commission concurred with continuing these minutes to the next Planning Commission meeting. The Planning Commission adourned at about 7:15 p.m. The Architectural Design Review Board convened at about 7:15 p.m. Single-family The City Attorney advised the proposal is for a single-family Residence residence located on Glendora Avenue just south of Barton 23151 Glendora Road. The applicant is requesting site and architectural review. Staff recommendation is that the Site and Architectural Review Committee approve the proposal subject to meeting all the requirements persuant to City Ordinances. Terry Snyder Commissioner Van Gelder asked Mr. Snyder if he had a sample of 11364 Noel Dr. the roofing material proposed for the house. Mr. Snyder stated Redlands, CA he did not have a sample, but it is a composition type roof. Chairman Caouette asked if it was asphalt shingle. Mr. Snyder agreed that it was. Chairman Caouette stated the plans indicate handsplit shake. Mr. Snyder said the plans do indicate handspait shake. However, it is not wise to use handsplit shake shingles in this general area. The house will be built with composition tile or perhaps tile. Planning Commission Minutes - 4/20/87 Page 2 Chairman Caouette stated in some of the more fire prone areas there has been a tendency to lean towards some type of light concrete roofing tiles. Has consideration been given to that? Mr. Snyder indicated there has been some consideration given to this. He would like the roof kept as simple as possible with the least amount of weight possible due to the fact that this is a seismic area. Chairman Caouette asked if the unit proposed for construction will support light weight concrete. Mr. Snyder stated he did not think it would. If that is what is required, they will have to go back for more structural engi-neeri ng. Chairman Caouette questioned if that was an acceptable alternative. Mr. Snyder stated that, if this Commission so decides or thinks it is necessary, we could go to a light weight concrete tile. PCM-87-10 Motion by Commissioner Munson, second by Vice Chairman Hawkinson, that the roofing material be a light weight concrete tile of compatible color to the building as shown. Commissioner Hargrave asked if that is not possible from an engineering standpoint, do we have an alternative that we would suggest. Commissioner Van -Gelder stated the roof does not have to be concrete as long as it's fire retardant. Commissioner Munson stated he thinks the beauty of shake was its bulk and the appearance. He felt concrete tile, as a substitute over the asphalt shingles, would have more eye appeal. Vice Chairman Hawkinson stated he seconded this motion, but he thinks some composition tile, if concrete tile does not work out, would be acceptable based on the architectural style of the building itself. He suggested a light weight concrete tile would be the first choice, but a second choice might be a composition roof. He did not feel shake tile would be an acceptable option. The maker of this motion concurred with the amendment. Commissioner Munson questioned when and who would judge what type of composition roofing would be acceptable. Commissioner Hargrave suggested the Commission would set out Commissioner Munsons recommendation and unless they could give good reason, they would have provide that type of roofing. Planning Commission Minutes - 4/20/87 Page 3 Chairman Caouettes stated this would probably be left in the hands of the building director. Commissioner Hargrave asked that the motion be repeated. Chairman Caouette stated the motion was for the requirement, initially, of a light weight concrete the roof and, if that is found to be unacceptable from an engineering standpoint, to go with a composition type of roof. Motion PCM-87-10 carried, ALL AYES. Chairman Caouette stated with that he would entertain a motion on the project. Vice Chairman Hawkinson questioned if the right-of-way was clear all the way through on this. Mr. Snyder stated the right-of-way is clear. They have a recorded easement. Commissioner Hargrave asked Mr. Snyder to clarify the location of the proposed house. Mr. Snyder advised that a dirt road to the right as you enter Glendora from Barton Road leads to the property. Commissioner Hargrave stated that the rendering shows this house wi l 1 be at the top of that road. He asked if it will be necessary to level that area. Mr. Snyder stated it is presently leveled. PCM-87-11 Motion by Commissioner Hargrave, second by Vice Chairman 0 Hawkinson, ALL AYES, to approve Architectural Review for 23151 Glendora, single-family residence. The Architectural Design Review Board adjourned at about 7:45 p.m. Respectfully submitted: T>Wltic DAVID R. SAWYER, PLA NING DIRECTOR Approved by: CHAIRMAN, Planning Commission Planning Commission Minutes - 4/20/87 Page 4