02/25/1980PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
CITY OF GRAND TERRACE
FEBRUARY 25, 1980
A Regular Meeting of the Planning Commission, City of Grand Terrace, was held in
the First Baptist Church of Grand Terrace, 12354 Mt. Vernon, Grand Terrace,
California, on February 25, 1980 at 6:35 p.m.
PRESENT: Frank Tetley, Chairman
Sandy Collins, Vice Chairman
Vern Andress, Commissioner
Winifred Bartel, Commissioner
William DeBenedet, Commissioner
John McDowell, Commissioner
Tom Rivera, Commissioner
Ron Schuster, Commissioner
Doug Payne, San Bernardino County Planning Staff, representing Gil Haro
Myrna Lindahl
Martine Gerg, Secretary
ABSENT: Lloyd L. Watson, Commissioner
Gil Haro, San Bernardino County Planning Staff
The meeting was opened with the Pledge of Allegiance, led by Vice Chairman
Sandy Collins, and oral roll call.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - FEBRUARY 11, 1980
PCM-80-15 MOTION was made by Commissioner Rivera, seconded by Commissioner
Bartel and carried unanimously to approve the Minutes of
February 11, 1980 as presented.
APPROVAL OF TENTATIVE TRACT 11302
Proposal: A) 31 unit condominium on 2.69 acres
B) 2 lot subdivision on 2.69 acres
Location: E/s Grand Terrace Road, approx. 450' S/o Vivienda Avenue
File/Index: A) LSH/80-0010/E219-'119
B) SUB/80-0011/E219-119/TR11302
Applicant: Terrado Grande, Ltd.
Representative: Ray A. Bicknell
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Staff, Doug Payne, made a presentation including analysis, findings
and a recommendation to approve Tentative Tract 11302 for condominium
purposes, subject to conditions; adopt the Negative Declaration and
instruct the City Clerk to issue a Notice of Determination. He
also recommended approving the Large Scale Housing Project E219-119
for condominium purposes, subject to conditions; adopt the Negative
Declaration and instruct the City Clerk to issue a Notice of
Determination, since this application is in two parts - large scale
housing project and subdivision tentative tract map.
Mr. Payne also stated the project provides for thirty-one units - a
density of eleven and a half units to the acre, and stated the six
findings supporting the recommendation of approval. He also
recommended the project be enclosed with fencing.
Chairman Tetley called upon the applicant for input to the hearing.
SUPPORTING TESTIMONY:
Mr. Ray Bicknell, 8951 Chapman Avenue, Garden Grove, stated he plans
to build an attractive project in the $65,000.00 and up price range,
and geared to young, first-time homeowners. The project will be done
in a spanish motif - light stucco with red roofs - stated he would
prefer to build rock roofs, since tile roofs would cost an additional
$1200.00 or $1300.00 per unit, so this cost would be passed on to the
prospective buyers. The units will all have garages.
Mr. Bicknell stated a landscape architect will design the landscaping,
and this must be approved prior to a building permit being granted.
He voiced objections to the requirement of building a six foot block
wall fence, and prefers to install a chain link fence.
Chairman Tetley called for opposing testimony.
OPPOSING TESTIMONY:
Mr. Joe Hubbs, 21945 Grand Terrace Road, stated he is in favor of the
project, providing the Commission requires a block wall fence and
does not allow rock roofs to be installed.
Mr. Mike Rhine, 21957 Vivienda, voiced objection to a chain link fence;
wants a block wall. Also spoke against rock roofs and shake roofs.
He is in favor of the project if a block wall and tile roofs are
required.
Mr. William Liles, 21840 Grand Terrace Road, voiced concern about
drainage, stating his property gets flooded now. Wants this matter
thoroughly checked prior to approval of the project.
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Mr. Leonard Sullivan, 21962 Grand Terrace Road, stated he wants
the project to be enclosed with a block wall, and wants tile roofs.
Voiced concern regarding increased traffic, stating that area is
used as a speedway now.
Mr. Ben Reynolds, 21850-21860 Grand Terrace Road, voiced concern
about drainage, since he already has a flooding problem, and
increased traffic. He recommended installing a traffic signal.
Stated he has no objection to the project if it is done properly.
Chairman Tetley called upon the applicant for a rebuttal. The
applicant declined.
Chairman Tetley closed Public Hearing.
In discussion, the Commission discussed various areas of concern
in the following areas: architecture, and type of roofs, showing
preference to tile roofs; want windows facing the street; sidewalks;
attractive frontage on Grand Terrace Road; landscaping; and
proper drainage facilities.
PCM-80-16 Following discussion, MOTION was made by Commissioner McDowell,
and seconded by Commissioner DeBenedet to continue this matter to
the Planning Commission Meeting of March 10, 1980, and request the
City Engineer to make a report on the storm drains at that time.
Discussion was then held regarding the possibility of approving
the tentative tract and adding conditions that adequate storm drain
plans and facilities be approved and that landscape/architectural
plans be approved.
PCM-80-17 Motion Number PCM-80-16, made by Commissioner McDowell, was amended
by Commissioner Rivera to approve the tentative tract for condominium
purposes, subject to the attached findings, the recommended conditions
of Staff, and two additional conditions: (1) With approval of
adequate storm drain plans and facilities; (2) approval of landscape/
architectural plans; and to approve the large scale housing project,
with the recommended findings of Staff, and subject to the
recommended conditions of Staff, and two additional conditions:
(1) With approval of adequate storm drain plans and facilities;
(2) approval of landscape/architectural plans; to adopt the Negative
Declaration for both projects and to instruct the City Clerk to
issue a Notice of Determination for both projects. The Amended
Motion was seconded by Commissioner DeBenedet.
Commissioner McDowell accepted the Amended Motion. The Amended
Motion carried unanimously.
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PCM-80-18 MOTION was made by Commissioner Collins, seconded by Commissioner
Schuster and carried unanimously to request the City Administration
to have the City Engineer report on the storm drain matter at the
Planning Commission Meeting of March 10, 1980, addressing
specifically how the storm drain can be laid up hill.
Chairman Tetley recommended that Mr. Bicknell's Engineer and the
City Engineer meet on this matter prior to the Planning Commission
Meeting of March 10, 1980. Mr. Bicknell stated he will bring a
rendering to the meeting of March 10.
ADJOURN TO PUBLIC WORK SESSION
The regular meeting of the Planning Commission adjourned to Public
Work Session at 8:10 p.m. The Public Work Session adjourned at
9:45 p.m. The next regular meeting of the Planning Commission will
be held Monday, March 10, 1980, at 6:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Approved•
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