12/03/1984 Grand Terrace Planning Commission
Minutes of Regular Meeting
December 3, 1984
The regular meeting of the Grand Terrace Planning Commission was called to order
at the Terrace View Elementary School, 22731 Grand Terrace Road, Grand Terrace,
California 92324 on December 3, 1984, at 7:00 p.m. by Vice-Chairman Ray Munson.
PRESENT: Ray Munson, Vice-Chairman
John McDowell, Commissioner
William DeBenedet, Commissioner
Jerry Hawkinson, Commissioner
Winifred Bartel, Commissioner
Norman Caouette, Commissioner
Gerald Cole, Commissioner
Vern Andress, Commissioner - (Arrived @ 7:40 p.m.)
Tim D. Serlet, Planning Staff
ABSENT: Sanford L. Collins, Chairman (Excused)
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE: Led by Commissioner DeBenedet
I. MINUTES OF OCTOBER 1, 1984
PCM 84-86 Motion by Commissioner McDowell seconded by Commissioner
Bartel and passed by a 7-0 vote to approve the minutes
of October 1, 1984, as submitted.
II. NEW BUSINESS
A.) Determination of Use: Telephone Switching Center; Center City Court.
Commissioner DeBenedet requested that Vice-Chairman Munson excuse him from
this item. Chairman Munson excused Commissioner DeBenedet from the meeting
@ 7:03 p.m.
Mr. Tim D. Serlet, Planning Staff, presented the Staff Report.
The Planning Commission discussed the relevance of the proposed use being
permitted in C-2 Zones.
PCM 84-87 Motion by Commissioner Caouette, seconded by Commissioner
Cole, and passed by a 6-0 vote to classify telephone
switching centers under Section 11.030 of Ordinance 57
as a use permitted subject to obtaining a Conditional
Use Permit.
Commissioner DeBenedet rejoined the meeting @ 7:12 p.m.
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III. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. Conditional Use Permit 84-11/Buffer Zone Variance; Light Industrial Center
on north side of Barton Road west of Freeway (A.P. No. 275-223-16) .
Mr. Tim D. Serlet, Planning Staff, presented the Staff Report.
Commissioner Cole asked if the requested variance involved the rear
Buffer Zone. Staff responded that the applicant would like the required
25' rear buffer zone eliminated.
The Planning Commission discussed the variance among themselves.
Vice-Chairman Munson requested the applicant address the Commission.
Mr. Jim Goode, the applicant, was not in attendance.
Vice-Chairman Munson opened the public hearing for those wishing to speak
in favor of or opposition to the proposed project.
Barney Karger, 11668 Bernardo Way, stated that he felt the 25' rear setback
should be established by policy and not ordinance.
Mr. William Liles, 21840 Grand Terrace Road, stated that he would not like to
see a 19' wall from his backyard and would prefer a landscaped buffer zone.
Mr. Liles also expressed concern regarding night work @ the proposed facilities.
Vice-Chairman Munson closed the public hearing with no one else speaking for
or against the project.
Commissioner Caouette indicated he would like the applicant to indicate
specific uses for each building.
Commissioner Andress arrived @ 7:40 p.m.
Vice-Chairman Munson stated that he would not want to approve the proposed
conditional use permit without specific uses being mentioned.
PCM 84-88 Motion by Commissioner Caouette, seconded by Commissioner
McDowell, and passed by a 8-0 vote to deny the buffer
zone variance and continue C.U.P. 84-11 to allow the
applicant to redesign the project with a buffer zone.
B. Change of Zone 84-3; Blue Moutain Court south of Pico Street, from "R-1
Single Family Residential to "A-1 Limited Agriculture."
Mr. Tim D. Serlet, Planning staff, presented the Staff Report.
The Planning Commission had no questions of Staff.
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III. PUBLIC HEARINGS Continued
B. Continued.
Vice-Chairman Munson opened the Public Hearing.
Mr. Barney Karger, 11668 Bernardo Way, spoke in favor of the proposed
zone change.
Karen McKeever, 12714 Blue Mountain Court, spoke in favor of the proposed
zone change.
Susan Crawford, 22721 Minona Drive, spoke in favor of the proposed zone
change.
Commissioner Caouette voiced concern over the different types and numbers
of animals allowed in an A-1 zone. Commissioner Caouette suggested an
alternative might be to amend the Zone Ordinance to allow horses in the
R-1 zone on certain size lots.
Commissioner Cole inquired if there are any one acre R-1 lots in the City
that would be affected by Commissioner Caouette's alternatives.
Staff responded that there are several R-1 lots throughout the City of
approximately one acre.
Vice-Chairman Munson re-opened the public hearing.
Barney Karger, 11668 Bernardo Way, stated he would like to have the County
Regulations on keeping horses apply to Grand Terrace.
Karen McKeever, 12714 Blue Mountain Court, agreed with Mr. Karger.
Susan Crawford, 22721 Minona Drive, stated that she felt the City should
revert to County Regulations on horses.
Vice-Chairman Munson closed the public hearing with no one else speaking
for or against the proposed zone change.
Commission McDowell stated that he felt the zone should be changed to A-1
with additional restrictions being placed on animals such as hogs.
Ivan Hopkins, City Attorney, stated the Zone Ordinance would need to be
amended if different restrictions were placed on animals.
Commissioner Caouette agreed with Commissioner McDowell's opinion.
PCM 84-89 Motion by Commissioner McDowell, seconded by Commisioner
Andress, and passed by an 8-0 vote to adopting Planning
Commission Resolution 84-03 recommending to the City
Council a change of zone from R-1 to-A-1 for the area
surrounding Blue Mountain Court as outlined in Exhibit A.
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III. PUBLIC HEARINGS Continued
B. Commissioner Caouette suggested the possibility of amending the A-1
zone to limit the types of animals allowed.
Vice-Chairman Munson and Commissioner Bartel questioned how 4-H projects
were treated.
Staff responded that the Ordinance made no allowance for 4-H projects.
PCM 84-90 Motion by Commissioner Caouette, seconded by Commissioner
Bartel, and passed by an 8-0 vote to initiate an amend-
ment to the A-1 zone specifying horses, dogs, and cats
as permitted use and eliminating other types of animals.
C. Change of Zone 84-4; Area north of Pico Street across from Blue Mountain
Court from "R-1 Single Family Residential" to "R-1 Single Family Residential,
with a minimum lot size of 20,000 square feet."
Mr. Tim D. Serlet, Planning Staff, presented the Staff Report.
Vice-Chairman Munson opened the public hearing.
Mr. Barney Karger, 11168 Bernardo Way, spoke in favor of the proposed
zone change.
Karen McKeever, 12714 Blue Mountain Court, spoke in favor of the proposed
zone change.
Susan Crawford, 22721 Minona Drive, also spoke in favor of the zone change.
Mr. Gary Branstetter, L.V.W. Brown Estate, Inc. , spoke in opposition to a 200'
buffer zone being placed on his property.
Mr. Dean Stedley, Co-Owner along with Mr. Branstetter of the property involving
the 200' strip, spoke in opposition to his property being zoned for a minimum
lot size of 20,000 sq. ft.
Mr. Dennis Kidd, 22874 Pico Street, expressed opposition to the 200' strip
along the east side of Mr. Branstetter and Mr. Steadley's property (L.V.W.
Brown Estate) being zoned for a minimum lot size of 20,000 sq. ft.
Vice-Chairman Munson closed the public hearing with no one else speaking for
or against the zone change.
The Planning Commission discussed the zone change and requested clarification
of the parcels involved.
The Staff reponded that the zone change involved the parcels belonging to
Mr. Karger, Mr. Fox, and L.V.W. Brown Estate.
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III. PUBLIC HEARINGS Continued
C. Continued.
PCM 84-91 Motion by Commissioner Caouette, seconded by Commissioner
Andress, and passed by a 5-3 vote to adopt Planning
Resolution 84-04 recommending to the City Council a
change of zone from "R-1" to R-1 with a minimum lot size
of 20,000 sq. ft. as described in Exhibit A and amended
tonite to include only those parcels owned by Mr. Barney
Karger and Mr. Steven Fox.
Vice Chairman Munson, Commissioner Andress, and Commissioner
Cole voted against they motion.
Vice-Chairman Munson called a ten minute recess @ 8:30 p.m. Commissioner Andress
excused himself to attend another meeting.
D. Amendment of the Grand Terrace Municipal Code, Chapter 18.72, dealing with
signs.
Mr. Tim D. Serlet, Planning Staff, presented the Staff Report.
Mr. Ivan Hopkins, City Attorney, explained the proposed amendment on a section
by section basis.
Commissioner Caouette requested clarification of the term Monument sign.
Mr. Hopkins stated the definition remains the same as now exists.
The Planning Commission discussed the proposed Ordinance among themselves.
Vice-Chairman Munson opened the Public Hearing.
Mr. Dave Terbest, 22365 Barton Road, Stated that the Chamber of Commerce
does not want to allow non-conforming signs to go on for infinity.
Mr. Barney Karger, 11168 Bernardo Way, stated that he did not have any
signs and has no plans for a sign, but would like to remind the Planning
Commission that the City needs new business.
Vice-Chairman Munson closed the public hearing.
Commissioner McDowell stated he did not like renewable permits for non-
conforming signs.
PCM 84-92 Motion by Commissioner McDowell, seconded by Commissioner
Cole, and passed by a 5-2 vote to eliminate the words
"and must be renewed thereafter" from Section 8D.
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III. PUBLIC HEARINGS Continued
PCM 84-92 Continued.
Commissioner Caouette and Commissioner Bartel voted
against the motion.
The Planning Commission discussed the remainder of the proposed amendment in detail.
PCM 84-93 Motion by Commissioner Cole, seconded by Commissioner
Caouette and passed by a 7-0 vote to approved Planning
Commission Resolution 84-5 as amended and forward to
the City Council.
Vice-Chairman Munson adjourned the meeting at 9:40 p.m.
Respectfully submitted
1
JOSEPH ICAK, Planning Director
Vice Chairman P1 ning Commission