05/19/1986 12-8.1055
GRAND TERRACE PLANNING COMMISSION
MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING
MAY 19, 1986
The regular meeting of the Grand Terrace Planning Commission was
called to order at the Grand Terrace Civic Center, 22795 Barton
Road, Grand Terrace, CA 92324 on May 19, 1986, at 7:06 p.m. by
Chairman Caouette.
PRESENT: Norman Caouette, Chairman
Jerry Hawkinson, Vice-Chairman
Gerald Cole, Commissioner
Sanford Collins, Commissioner
Ray Munson, Commissioner
Joseph Kicak, Planning Director
Ivan Hopkins, City Attorney
Lynn Halligan, Planning Secretary
EXCUSED ABSENCE: John McDowell, Commissioner
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE: Led by Commissioner Munson.
I. MINUTES
A. Minutes of May 5, 1986
PCM 86-45 Motion by Commissioner Collins and
seconded by Vice-Chairman Hawkinson and
passed by a 4-0-1 vote, to approve the
minutes as submitted.
Commissioner Munson abstained from vote.
II. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. Request for a Variance at 22154 Deberry Street.
Chairman Caouette asked for Staff presentation.
Joseph Kicak, Planning Director, presented Staff Report. Noted
that the use of the property would become non-conforming should
the existing tenant, who is a member of the applicant's family,
move out. That existing property would be considered for use
as an R-2, with a revenue generating potential. The request
of the applicant is to consider a variance to make use of that
property as R-2.
Chairman Caouette asked if there were any questions of staff?
He noted that he understood this to be more or less a granny
flat situation.
Joseph Kicak noted that it would not meet all of the criteria
of the granny flat as defined in the City's ordinance.
Discussion took place between Staff and the Planning Commission
regarding whether there was some way to continue as a granny
flat use. Joseph Kicak, Planning Director noted that if the
Planning Commission grants the variance, as requested, that unless
some restriction was placed on this particular property, that when
this use terminates the granny flat use, the variance would allow
the use of that property as an R-2. Therefore, they could generate
revenue and lease the 2nd house.
Further discussion continued. In response to Commissioner Munson's
question, it was noted, by staff, that they could add to the
existing structure, but they could not add another house.
Discussion between the Planning Commission and Staff took place
regarding the possible intention of the applicant renting out the
building. In response, Joseph Kicak, Planning Director, clarified
that the applicant is attempting to refinance this property. And,
in requesting the appraisal of the property, the applicant was
told that the 2nd house has no value in a single family,
R-1, zone. Mr. Kicak recommended that in approving this item,
that the Planning Commission add a condition that the 2nd home
on that property may be used as a habitable residence, provided
that there is no revenue generating intent or use of that
property. Mr. Kicak also noted that this house was a fully
self-contained residence.
Chairman Caouette remarked that if he understood the staff report,
the lending institution, or whoever is performing the service for
the applicant, has a problem with the property because it is a
non-conforming use; and therefore, there is a problem with
refinancing.
Joseph Kicak, Planning Director, noted that the problem is in the
appraisal of the property for the 2nd house not necessarily the
refinancing. But, what they are saying is that as long as it
is in an R-1 zone, the use is R-1; therefore, the 2nd house has
no value in an R-1 zone.
Commissioner Munson noted that it would be his motion to continue
this item until the next meeting, in hopes that the Applicant
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would be present. Otherwise, he would vote against the variance.
Chairman Caouette responded that before a motion was considered,
he would like to conduct the public hearing. Opened the public
hearing and asked if there was anyone who would like to speak in
favor of the requested variance.
Barney Karger, 11668 Bernardo Way, Grand Terrace. Noted that he
knows Mr. Grable and is familiar with that property. Indicated
that both of the houses had been there for more than 40 years.
Mr. Karger was in favor of the variance and felt that it would
not hurt anyone in that neighborhood.
Chairman Caouette asked if there was anyone else who wished to
speak in favor of or in opposition to this variance. Being none,
returned this item back to the Commission for discussion.
PCM 86-46 Motion by Commissioner Munson and
seconded by Vice-Chairman Hawkinson and
passed by a 4-1 vote, to continue this
item to the next meeting, in order for
the applicant to be present.
Commissioner Collins voted against the
motion.
IIB. Public Hearing on property for R-1 Hillside and R-1 PUD overlay
Zones.
Chairman Caouette asked Staff for presentation.
Joseph Kicak, Planning Director, presented staff report. Noted
that the proposed R-1 hillside overlay would consider the
properties southerly of DeBerry Street, easterly of Oriole and
northerly of Main Street, which are now zoned R-1. The
proposal is to provide a minimum 4500 square foot flat area
of the pad. In addition, a minimum square footage of livable
space of 1350 square feet. The second area being proposed is
the R-1 PUD Overlay. That area is located southerly of Palm,
and the easterly of the Southerly extension of Honey Hill Drive,
also, the area on the easterly side of Blue Mountain, easterly
of the Honey Hills Development. Staff recommended that the
Planning Commission conduct Public Hearing on this item and
direct the City Attorney to prepare an appropriate resolution
to forward to the City Council.
Discussion took place among the Planning Commission and Staff
regarding how much area was left to be mapped. It was noted,
by Staff, that there is about 40 acres that has not yet been
mapped in that overlay. Chairman Caouette asked how would the
R-1 PUD differ from the hillside designation that is in the
General Plan. Joseph Kicak, Planning Director, responded that
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the R-1 PUD would probably end up being a transfer of densities
within the area. However, the PUD would control with respect
to the building size, building separation and all of the open
space. Mr. Kicak added that the Hillside overlay is primarily
to have a minimum flat area lot size with minimum livable
square footage.
Chairman Caouette opened the public hearing asking if there
was anyone who wished to speak in favor of the proposed overlays.
Joseph Kicak, Planning Director, noted that the reason for the
PUD was to cluster. Transfer the densities, which is primarily
due to topography that exists on the easterly side of Blue
Mountain. This would be done in order to preserve as much
natural area as possible.
Bill DeBenedet, 11960 Honey Hill Drive. Expressed his interest
in the Honey Hills Development area, and that he would be in
favor of clustering of homes in a PUD overlay, which is due to
the rugged terrain.
Commissioner Munson questioned Mr. DeBenedet what a standard lot
would be if the houses were clustered.
Bill DeBenedet responded that it depended on location. Some
would be larger lots, 10,000 sqaure feet, because of the rugged
terrain. Noted that you could still have 1/2 acre ground for
dwelling, but can be used for something else.
Chairman Caouette asked if there was anyone else who wished to
speak in favor.
Barney Karger, 11668 Bernardo Way, noted that he was not
necessarily for or against. Inquired if it would be possible
to get a PUD on his property, so that he could cluster the
houses and keep the orange grove as it is.
It was noted, by staff in response to Mr. Karger's request,
that he would need to come back to the Planning Commission
for them to consider his proposal.
Chairman Caouette asked if there was anyone else wishing to
speak in favor of or in opposition to the proposed overlays.
Being none, closed the public hearing and returned the item
back to the Commission for discussion.
Commissioner Collins noted that at this time they are trying
to legislate something that has been the perogative of the
Planning Commission in the Site & Architectural Review process.
Further noted that if the Planning Commission was going to
make it 12,000, 14,000 or 16,000 R-1, which in his opinion
would be best, then he thought they should at least require
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developer to make 7200 square foot flat area on each pad.
Further discussion among the Planning Commissioners took place
regarding size of lot. Chairman Caouette asked where 4500
square foot came from. Vice-Chairman Hawkinson responded that
this particular issue is a by-product of a recommendation of
the Title 18 Ad Hoc Committee. Vice-Chairman Hawkinson and
Chairman Caouette noted they were in concurrence with
Commissioner Collin's suggestion. Commissioner Cole expressed
concern that if a 7200 square foot minimum lot is requested,
then they are asking for a 7200 square foot flat area of the
pad. And, that in order to level the pad may build a 14' high
retaining wall. Commissioner Cole felt that rather than take
that chance, may be the Planning Commission ought to look at
7200 square feet minimum lot size area or 10,000, 12,000 and/or
14,000. Vice-Chairman Hawkinson concurred that the Planning
Commission put something back in the form of 10,000, 12,000
square foot minimum lot size in this area. Commissioner
Munson clarified that the pubic would dictate what they may
or may not want, at the time of public hearing, if the
Planning Commission increased the size of the lots to
12,000 - 14,000 square feet.
Chairman Caouette suggested that they split this for now and first
talk about an action on the R-1 PUD and then take up the R-1
Hillside issue. Asked if there was any discussion on the PUD
Overlay proposal.
PCM 86-47 Motion by Chairman Caouette and
seconded by Commissioner Cole and
passed by a 5-0 vote, to direct City
Attorney to prepare an appropriate
resolution recommending that in the
R-1 PUD Overlay area, be approved at
a density of 1 unit per 20,000 square
feet. Intent to allow clustering of
houses to preserve as much natural
landscape as possible.
Chairman Caouette asked if there was discussion on the R-1
Hillside overlay. Noted that his concern is that development
in that area results in excessive backyard slopes.
PCM 86-48 Motion by Commissioner Collins and
seconded by Vice-Chairman Hawkinson
and passed by a 5-0 vote, to recommend
to the City Council that R-1 Hillside
overlay be further identified, by staff,
that instead of minimum square footage
level pads, that they have a lot area
of 12,000, 14,000 or 16,000 square feet,
according to elevations as studied by
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staff.
III. NEW BUSINESS
Chairman Caouette added New Business Item III a. Noted that at
the May 5, 1986 Planning Commission Meeting, the Planning
Commission continued Site & Architectural Review 86-4, and that
the applicant would now like to present the revised plans for
Planning Commission consideration. Asked for a staff presentation.
Joseph Kicak, Planning Director, noted that these plans came in
late Friday, May 16, 1986. Noted that the colored renderings
before them were the landscaping plans and plans showing the
6' tilt-up concrete wall proposed around the project, with
exception of the frontage on Commerce Way.
Chairman Caouette asked if there were questions of staff or the
applicant.
Discussion took place between the Applicant and the Planning
Commission regarding the proposed concrete wall. The applicant
noted that the wall is a requirement for screening and it would be
6' high with a smooth surface. It was noted that a 1" recessed
reveal, which is around the building itself, would be painted
red.
PCM 86-49 Motion by Vice-Chairman Hawkinson and
seconded by Commissioner Munson and
passed by a 5-0 vote, to approve the
revised Site & Architectural Plans 86-4,
as submitted. Noted that the building
would have a 1" recessed reveal painted.
Chairman Caouette adjourned the Planning Commission Meeting at 8:06 p.m. ,
to the next regularly scheduled Planning Commission Meeting.
Respectfully submitted:
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JOS P fTCAK, Planning Director
Approved:
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CHAII61AN, Planning Commission
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